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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 17:27 |
Can't someone say they don't belong here and at the same time appreciate them?
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Angelo
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 17:24 |
E-Dub wrote:
I do agree that Steely Dan don't belong; however, this is an APPRECIATION thread and maybe comments like these are better suited somewhere else. Just my opinion, though.
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Eric's got a point here, people. This is an appreciation thread - please go elsewhere (or start a separate thread) for dicussion on whether or not SD should be included in the archives.
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E-Dub
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 17:04 |
I do agree that Steely Dan don't belong; however, this is an APPRECIATION thread and maybe comments like these are better suited somewhere else. Just my opinion, though.
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Greg W
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 16:40 |
You know, IMO Chicago is a better example of an experimental jazz fusion band than Steely Dan ever was. At least their 1st couple lps anyways. What is this crazy need for any band with a horn section or keyboards to have to be placed in the once exalted, but now pop polluted Prog Archives.
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Hawkwise
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 10:29 |
Whats Next ? Little Feet ? I dont really get it how can have a band Like Steely Dan as Prog, But not Band like The Sensational Alex Harvey Band if they had been from North America and not Scotland shore they would been in the Archives by Now ,
Edited by Hawkwise - August 25 2008 at 10:30
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The Pessimist
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 10:21 |
Not all the time, but they have a lot of prog moments, Aja is a perfect example. So is Rikki Don't Lose That Number. All in all though, it is great "progressive" music, and they have influenced a lot of prog bands.
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Syzygy
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 09:19 |
E-Dub wrote:
I'm not sure that I concur with Steely Dan being added to ProgArchives, but I've been a huge Steely Dan fan since I was a kid and consider their body of work to be some of the best. The way they infused brilliant pop hooks with intricate jazz structures is absolutely brilliant. I still consider Bernard Purdie's shuffle groove on "Babylon Sisters" as one of my favorite drum patterns.
I do enjoy the newer material (2vsN; Everything Must Go), but they do pale when compared to Aja or The Royal Scam. Aja is probably my favorite, though. I also enjoy Fagan's solo material, but The Nightfly is EXCELLENT!!! Kamikiriad is good, too (especially "Tomorrow's Girl").
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Prett much what I was going to say. Aja is pretty much a perfect album, but everything up to Gaucho is well worth checking out.
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Seyo
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 07:46 |
Not classic prog, but wonderful masic nonetheless! On the jazz-rock border definitely, but also with pop sensibility. "Countdown" is my favorite too, along with "Prezel", "Royal Scam" and "Aja"...
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Hawkwise
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darkshade
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 01:31 |
yea Countdown to Ecstasy might be my favorite too!
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micky
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Posted: August 24 2008 at 21:28 |
holy sh*t... you beat me to this review Rollie  ... for the betterment of the forum  .... you NAILED this album with your review much better than I could have ever done. Was the first.. of a string of masterpieces for the progger to discover. King of the World.... wow... not much else to say.. which is why I suck at reviews. .and make my living here just spotlighting those who can hahhaa.
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The first time I heard “Countdown to Ecstasy” it stopped me dead in my tracks. It satisfied every
aspect of my sensibilities both as a musician and as a music lover and it still does to this very day. The
difference between this album and their pop-oriented debut is like night and day. So much for the
sophomore jinx! In most cases bands use up all their best material for their music biz grand opening
and have nothing to equal it on #2 but here the West Coast prog creations of Donald Fagen and Walter
Becker reflected the mood of the disillusioned peace & love generation in a uniquely abstract and
sublime way. The album and its compelling cover art is nothing short of brilliant. It is also the only one
in their catalogue that was written and arranged for a working ensemble because the band as a
performing entity would cease to exist after its release. It seems the group HATED touring with a
passion and the fact that they had to interrupt their recording sessions to go play “Do It Again” on
amusement park stages led to the unheard of decision to stop doing concerts altogether. Like The
Beatles before them, they abandoned the road to further explore their true calling as a pack of studio
rats. But this album was made in the heat of battle between artist and management and it bristles with
raw energy because of that. If I’d been keeping a journal back in 1973 my entry would have been
something along these lines: Dear Diary - From the moment Jim Hodder’s naked drum strokes on “Bodhisattva” reached my ears I
knew that this was something fresh and new to absorb. The onslaught of Denny Dias and Jeff “Skunk”
Baxter’s amazing triple guitar harmonies as they flew over the driving rock & roll beat below sealed the
deal for me before Fagen even opened his mouth. What WAS this I was hearing? Then Donald
sang “can you show me/the shine of your Japan/the sparkle of your China/can you show me?” and I
was drawn into a Salvador Dali-like dimension with melting watches hanging off tree limbs and such.
Skunk then delivered a hair-raising guitar solo followed by a call & answer segment with Fagen’s cool
synthesizer and I couldn’t hoist my jaw up off the floor. This stunning track alone signified a radical
departure from everything they had shown me before and I am hooked. These guys are for real. Was I impressed? Ya think? Thus began a lifelong affection for most everything Steely Dan
manufactured and now my hope is that others who may not know of their charms and only think of
them as the guys who did “Hey Nineteen” will venture into their fascinating world with an open mind.
Now back to the review. Next up is the piano and vibraphone-colored “Razor Boy” as it glides atop a swaying jazz rhythm. It
has a very unconventional and intriguing chord structure that even Baxter’s lazy steel guitar can’t take
away from. Here Fagen’s charismatic voice creates its one-of-a-kind timbre as his stacked three-part
harmonies give the tune a distinct flavor that will resonate throughout the rest of their career. My
interpretation of the lyric is that he’s referring to a girl’s drug habit when he sings “I guess only women
in cages/can play down the things they lose/you think no tomorrow will come/when you lay down/you
can’t refuse.” Chilling. That’s followed by the awesomeness that is “The Boston Rag,” just one of the
many sparkling gems included in this album. It has a very progressive and dynamic arrangement with
Donald’s vocal giving it his indelible stamp as he delivers a bittersweet view of a man’s reckless youth
with lines like “Lonnie swept the playroom/and he swallowed up all he found/it was 48 hours till/Lonnie
came around.” The middle section builds up gracefully as the guitar swirls around it like a wild vine.
What a great song. The playful “Your Gold Teeth” has a swift, jazzy groove that won’t quit and the complex melody lines
streaking across its face are breathtaking. It’s about avoiding the lure of a flirtatious lady. “Your
fortune is your raving eye/your mouth and legs/your gift for the runaround/torture is the main
attraction/I don’t need that kind of action,” Fagen sings. The bridge is about as different as is
imaginable and the sly electric piano solo trailed by another stellar guitar ride is excellent. This is Jazz
Rock/Fusion coming at you from a completely foreign angle. And, speaking of oddities, “Show Biz Kids”
just may be the most unusual and simple track they’ve ever recorded. Its mantra-like, droning
edginess coupled with guest Rick Derringer’s dangerous slide guitar makes for a song that has no
reason to be as delightful as it is. A scathing dissection of the L.A. star scene with words such as “show
business kids making movies of themselves/you know they don’t give a f**k about anybody else”
accompanied by a chorus of “lost wages,” this belongs in a class unto itself. Did I say class? “My Old School” is magnificent from start to finish. Despite having to compete with a
devastating horn arrangement (courtesy of Jimmie Haskell) and performance, Skunk literally steals the
show with his blazing guitar licks as he slashes and dashes in and out of the crisp horn accents striking
like lightning all around him. It’s one for the ages. The tune’s sarcastic look at memories of a
heartbreak reads like beat poetry. “Oleanders growing outside your door/soon they’re gonna be in
bloom up in Annandale/I can’t stand her/doing what she did before/living like a gypsy queen in a fairy
tale.” The fabulous horn run after the “California tumbles into the sea” line is pure genius and when
they turn Baxter loose on the fadeout he becomes a maniac on the fretboard. Yowza! After that
barnburner a change of pace is in order and the gentle “Pearl of the Quarter” fits in nicely. This song
about a man being in love with a New Orleans hooker is a much more “normal” number but engaging
nonetheless in spite of another dose of whiny steel guitar. The album closer, “King of the World,” is spectacular prog rock. It’s one of the best post-apocalyptic
tunes ever written because it never submerges into maudlin territory. The last guy on earth is just
looking for company. “If you come around/no more pain and no regrets/watch the sun go
brown/smoking cobalt cigarettes/there’s no need to hide/taking things the easy way/if I stay inside/I
might live till Saturday.” The seamless track cruises along effortlessly before the arresting middle
section pops up like a surprise party. In the end the melodic synthesizer line slinks across the ever-
moving chord pattern like a snake in the sand and the guitar solo weaves a hypnotic tapestry in the
fading light. In the very entertaining liner notes included with the ‘98 remastered version Fagen and Becker tell the
story of showcasing the finished product for the label big wigs, “Hawaiian shirts, cigars and all.”
Expecting another pop blockbuster like the previous LP, they were sorely disappointed to hear what
must have sounded like “German art music, or worse.” Of course, that meant the album would have
immense appeal to proggers like me but not so to the public at large. It produced nary a hit single but
FM radio ate it up (to my delight). One man’s loss is another man’s gain, as they say. If 90% of prog
comes from thinking outside the box then this is prog in its very essence. This is the first of several
masterpieces these talented visionaries would present to the world and one you should experience
often.
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micky
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Posted: August 24 2008 at 20:12 |
kibble_alex wrote:
First off, i want to say thanks to the PA team for adding this fantastic band to the huge list of other bands on here. Being a long time SD fan, you can tell how happy this makes me 
But are there many other fans here on PA? I love them completely, i think their jazz-pop style is unmatched by anyone if i'm honest. What do you guys think?
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r making people happy is what we are in the business of hahhaha. great reviews so far guys...all of them... a special shout out to Rollie's review of Can't Buy a Thrill. I love objective reviews that speak to the heart of what reviews should be about... guiding those who are considering getting the album.. as well as describing the album. Great debut.. but for the progger SD newbie.. not the place to start if wondering why they are here.
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E-Dub
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Posted: August 24 2008 at 16:24 |
I'm not sure that I concur with Steely Dan being added to ProgArchives, but I've been a huge Steely Dan fan since I was a kid and consider their body of work to be some of the best. The way they infused brilliant pop hooks with intricate jazz structures is absolutely brilliant. I still consider Bernard Purdie's shuffle groove on "Babylon Sisters" as one of my favorite drum patterns.
I do enjoy the newer material (2vsN; Everything Must Go), but they do pale when compared to Aja or The Royal Scam. Aja is probably my favorite, though. I also enjoy Fagan's solo material, but The Nightfly is EXCELLENT!!! Kamikiriad is good, too (especially "Tomorrow's Girl").
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The Pessimist
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Posted: August 24 2008 at 15:11 |
First off, i want to say thanks to the PA team for adding this fantastic band to the huge list of other bands on here. Being a long time SD fan, you can tell how happy this makes me  But are there many other fans here on PA? I love them completely, i think their jazz-pop style is unmatched by anyone if i'm honest. What do you guys think?
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