Led Zeppelin Reissues Part II

Jimmy Page was an enormous talent who also purloined a huge quantity of material that he then altered enough to sound original.   And not just the old blues cats, I can hear everyone from Tim Harden to Stevie Wonder in Page's, Plant's and Jones' contributions.   But I'm afraid Dr Wu's comments only scratch the surface; recorded music is often a collage of previous musics come together in an individual way.   The Beatles did this masterfully, pretty much imitating early American songcraft as a medium by which to exercise their own writing, it's just that they hid their thievery better than most.

This was one of the reasons progressive rock progressed, it was, especially earlier, an extension of other peoples' music not an alternative to it, a product that came from within the rock community rather than an outside intrusion.   And the apple didn't fall that far from the tree.





Edited by Atavachron - July 31 2014 at 21:40

LSDisease wrote: SteveG wrote:   From what song did Page copy the long psychedelic breakdown played on his Fender Telecaster (yes, Telecaster not Les Paul) with a violin bow on the song Dazed and Confused that The Yardbirds lifted from Holmes? Do you think he got that from Holmes who was a second rate folk artist? I think that you protest too much without considering the entire songs as the basic musical structures of many are very different than the songs that they are supposed to be copped from. Jimmy Page was unknown musician back then, he became famous after he stole other artists music.  And if it wasn't enough http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/20/314256004/led-zeppelin-sued-over-stairway-to-heaven-guitar-line Jimmy Page is a talentless f**k.

Edited by dr wu23 - July 31 2014 at 17:44

SteveG wrote:   From what song did Page copy the long psychedelic breakdown played on his Fender Telecaster (yes, Telecaster not Les Paul) with a violin bow on the song Dazed and Confused that The Yardbirds lifted from Holmes? Do you think he got that from Holmes who was a second rate folk artist? I think that you protest too much without considering the entire songs as the basic musical structures of many are very different than the songs that they are supposed to be copped from.

Jimmy Page was unknown musician back then, he became famous after he stole other artists music.  And if it wasn't enough

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/20/314256004/led-zeppelin-sued-over-stairway-to-heaven-guitar-line

Jimmy Page is a talentless f**k.

LSDisease wrote: SteveG wrote: LSDisease wrote: Maybe these reissues will finally include the complete credit lists. Jimmy Page never wrote a single original song, all ripped off. That's an extreme statement. I freely admit that Page lifted some songs or riffs from other artists like Jansch and Holmes but he composed 99% of his songs. He was too talented not come up with his own material.  This is Jimmy Page we are talking about after all, not some second rate hack.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M what a shame, they were even too lazy to change the titles. Lack of creativity but that's probably because of drugs. Find me another band who did the same.

LSDisease wrote: Maybe these reissues will finally include the complete credit lists. Jimmy Page never wrote a single original song, all ripped off.

That's an extreme statement. I freely admit that Page lifted some songs or riffs from other artists like Jansch and Holmes but he composed 99% of his songs. He was too talented not come up with his own material.  This is Jimmy Page we are talking about after all, not some second rate hack.


Edited by SteveG - July 31 2014 at 12:14

Michael678 wrote: SteveG wrote: dr wu23 wrote: Another excuse for Page and Plant to make more money from the fans. Shame on them. I beg to differ Doc as I have waited along time for these albums to be remastered and they sound great compared to the 90's remasters which were congested  and flat as the tech is much better now. Unlike Floyd who seemed to remaster and repackage ad infinitum, Zep have held on to these so long that I thought that I and band would die before they were remastered so I'm one happy camper.  I might even  be buried with them, that's how good they sound.  lol.....?

No. It's in my will along with Led Zep 4 (Zoso) and a lot of Hendrix to take to the other side.


Edited by SteveG - July 31 2014 at 12:01

There is nothing wrong with the "originals", that is correct. But the 90's remasters from originals are not very good. Jimmy Page and the boyz have known this and are doing the right thing by issuing new remixed versions and correcting the bad mastering.

He has returned the sound to what LZ was when they first came out on vinyl...big, bold, beefy sound. With much better depth, clarity and detail than the originals.

For me hearing that classic Zeppelin sound coming from my turntable is pretty special....brings a tear to my eye

dr wu23 wrote: Another excuse for Page and Plant to make more money from the fans. Shame on them.

JPJ will make some money too, I hope.

People aren't sheep, if they don't want them they won't buy them.

dr wu23 wrote: Another excuse for Page and Plant to make more money from the fans. Shame on them.

I beg to differ Doc as I have waited along time for these albums to be remastered and they sound great compared to the 90's remasters which were congested  and flat as the tech is much better now. Unlike Floyd who seemed to remaster and repackage ad infinitum, Zep have held on to these so long that I thought that I and band would die before they were remastered so I'm one happy camper.  I might even  be buried with them, that's how good they sound. 


Edited by SteveG - July 30 2014 at 19:28

Another excuse for Page and Plant to make more money from the fans. Shame on them.