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reality
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:06 |
Neo Prog = lack of fresh ideas
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progrules
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 09:41 |
I think I have seen the great ones come along by now. So I think Cacho has a pretty good idea what he can go after. I can only add Skeem (bit rare but awesome neo) and Jadis to the list. But as you like the more mellow neo Cyan, Primitiv Instinct and Like Wendy could be an idea or (Belgian) Now. Unfortunately they are a bit hard to obtain.
Besides neo: I see you like ELP and Yes. In that case you could check out Cairo who are mainly like ELP but more energetic.
Good luck with the quest.
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infandous
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 09:38 |
Trademark wrote:
Well its my own personal belief that there is no such thing as Neo Prog though many of the bands I like are listed there. For example take the case of Little Atlas and Izz. If you can tell me why one is listed as Neo and the other as Symphonic I'd count myself as enlightened. Or for that matter why Spock's Beard is symphonic and IQ (and Magenta for crying out loud) are Neo?
I simply recommended music which I thought fit Cacho's own description of music he personally liked and I very carefully prefaced by stating say "Neo or Not". I made no pretense of including any band (Cryptic Vision is under Heavy Prog and Moon Safari is under Symphonic) in any other sub-genre. Its "all for one and one for all" to me. As a matter of fact, just to muddy the water further I should add Beardfish, Shadow Circus and Phideaux to the list of recommendations. I think Cacho would like them both.
I had no intention of hijacking this thread into a sub-genre argument (they never end well) so any further discussion of my views on this subject should be addressed in a PM.
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Hey, no sweat man. I was being a bit to anal in my post anyway. I have no desire at all to turn this into a sub-genre argument either. And having never heard Little Atlas I couldn't tell you why one is neo and the other symphonic. As others have pointed out, there seems to be quite a bit of overlap between symphonic and neo since the "original" neo bands of the 80's. You're probably right that he would like those bands anyway. So need need for a PM, I was just thought I was helping to keep things on topic. But you make good points, and I won't argue them as I mostly agree anyway. There is always a tendency to project our own views about a given genre into these threads and I seem to have done just that. Anyway, getting back to the topic, I still recommend Asgard as a good neo band for Cacho to check out.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 03:50 |
I used to like a lot of neo prog, the big names of the eighties: Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Pallas, Twelfth Night... Later on Casino and Shadowland.
These days the only neo prog band I listen to on a regular basis is Pendragon. Somehow neo prog doesn't grow on me anymore, and I listen seldom to it anymore.
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E-Dub
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 00:07 |
Soul Dreamer wrote:
Some albums to try before you determine neo is not for you are:
Marillion - Marbles (the 2 CD version!), Brave, Afraid of Sunlight
Collage - Moonshine (!!! Unique within the prog world!!!, any Satellite album is just a bleak representation of this more than great album)
Saens - Escaping From The Hands Of God
Arena - The Visitor and Contagion (allthough these might be a bit "metal" to your ears)
Clepsydra - Alone and More Grains of Sand (if you can get over the accent of the vocalist)
Pallas - The Dreams of Men
And I could go on and on with IQ, Pendragon, Shadowland, Knight Area etc....
Cheezy??? What about that...of no importance to me...it's just about great music in the symphonic style to me... |
SD, you've outlined my top 3 Marillion discs as well. I had Brave on in the car today and it never fails to send a shiver up my backbone. That's one amazing disc. Haven't spun Marbles in a while, so that might be next. I'm afraid I'll have to agree with you in regard to the Satellite/Collage comparison. I'm still trying to latch on to Into The Night, but it hasn't happened yet. Moonshine is a great neo prog disc, though. Actually had some teeth; whereas, I'm finding Satellite to be a bit too sugary for me. E
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Soul Dreamer
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 22:29 |
Some albums to try before you determine neo is not for you are:
Marillion - Marbles (the 2 CD version!), Brave, Afraid of Sunlight
Collage - Moonshine (!!! Unique within the prog world!!!, any Satellite album is just a bleak representation of this more than great album)
Saens - Escaping From The Hands Of God
Arena - The Visitor and Contagion (allthough these might be a bit "metal" to your ears)
Clepsydra - Alone and More Grains of Sand (if you can get over the accent of the vocalist)
Pallas - The Dreams of Men
And I could go on and on with IQ, Pendragon, Shadowland, Knight Area etc....
Cheezy??? What about that...of no importance to me...it's just about great music in the symphonic style to me...
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To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica)
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 20:45 |
Another prog musician on the forum? Hey, at least he's almost at 200 posts....Steven Wilson didn't even get 50 I think.
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E-Dub
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 20:38 |
jplanet wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
About as subtle as Rosie O'Donnell in a roomful of Twinkies, John.
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You just made me spit coffee out of my nose laughing!
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John, I hope I didn't inflict any harm that could delay a follow-up to the Freakroom. I also recommend it highly. I thought it was symphonic. I've been known to be wrong a time or two, though. E
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scruffydragon
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 17:13 |
jplanet,your so funny,just done the same thing reading your remark about the coffee.
There has to be some good neo-prog albums out there,so its worth keep looking.Thing is I find the term neo quite confusing as there were bands active in the early 80's which were progressive,one being National Health.Rush to me has a neo-prog feel on their farewell to kings album which dates from1977.
Feels more like some continuity from the 70's into the 80's.The term seems appear soon after the record press got hold of bands appearing in the 80's like marillion,pendragon,iq and twelth night.thing is the music press used the term to generally cover all sorts of 80's and 90's prog in general not thinking of the sub genres.
Don't give up on looking for more recent prog bands and albums,they are out there,so just keep looking.Just thinking that samplers may give you a few ideas.
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jplanet
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 16:37 |
E-Dub wrote:
About as subtle as Rosie O'Donnell in a roomful of Twinkies, John.
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You just made me spit coffee out of my nose laughing!
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sleeper
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 15:41 |
^The problem is that the boundery between neo and symphonic got rather muddled in the 90's, which is probably why the neo and symphonic teams have sort of merged.
So I guess it doesnt really matter if you mention certain bands, as theres not much difference.
Edited by sleeper - February 21 2008 at 15:41
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Trademark
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 15:12 |
Well its my own personal belief that there is no such thing as Neo Prog though many of the bands I like are listed there. For example take the case of Little Atlas and Izz. If you can tell me why one is listed as Neo and the other as Symphonic I'd count myself as enlightened. Or for that matter why Spock's Beard is symphonic and IQ (and Magenta for crying out loud) are Neo?
I simply recommended music which I thought fit Cacho's own description of music he personally liked and I very carefully prefaced by stating say "Neo or Not". I made no pretense of including any band (Cryptic Vision is under Heavy Prog and Moon Safari is under Symphonic) in any other sub-genre. Its "all for one and one for all" to me. As a matter of fact, just to muddy the water further I should add Beardfish, Shadow Circus and Phideaux to the list of recommendations. I think Cacho would like them both.
I had no intention of hijacking this thread into a sub-genre argument (they never end well) so any further discussion of my views on this subject should be addressed in a PM.
Edited by Trademark - February 21 2008 at 15:46
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infandous
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 14:15 |
Trademark wrote:
There's a couple of those "metal-like" tunes on just about every Flower Kings Album. It seems to be part of Roine's idea about making records; to try to have a broader over-all appeal. He's a guitarist after all and it might also just be fun for him to just Riff-out once in a while.
On a side note (non Neo related) you might really like Roine Stolt's Solo album Wall Street Voodoo. It has more of a "Classic Rock" feel to it, but with enough twists and turns to stay interesting.
My own recent list (Neo or not) would include
Satellite- Into the Night
Little Atlas - Hollow
Izz - My River Flows
Moon Safari - Doorway into Summer
Magenta - Seven
Ritual - Think Like A Mountain
Cryptic Vision - In A Word
K2 - Book of the Dead
The Watch - Primitive
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Just to avoid confusion; Izz and Ritual are not neo prog (according to this site). And neither is Spock's Beard, who keep getting mentioned along with The Flower Kings (who also are not neo). I did see your "Neo or not" clarification, but this is a thread about someone who is curious about trying out neo bands and I think it might be better to not point this person to bands that are not classified as neo
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E-Dub
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 14:09 |
About as subtle as Rosie O'Donnell in a roomful of Twinkies, John. E
Edited by E-Dub - February 21 2008 at 14:10
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jplanet
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 13:10 |
bhikkhu wrote:
You are right. Those bands are Symphonic, and so is Shadow Circus (was that the one you were thinking of?). Which is also a band that should be checked out.
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Ah! THAT's the name I was trying to think of! If only there was a convenient link to that band's website in a
signature somewhere around here...(Walks away with hand in pockets
whistling).... LOL...apologies for shameless self promotion.
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laplace
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 12:53 |
Moongarden have recently started to incorporate post-rock into their music... apparently there'll be a track on the upcoming album which is basically shoegaze. =) but there is clearly an experimentation deficit in the base neo sound.
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Dean
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 12:50 |
^ There is Neo that does not conform, bands from the early 80s like LaHost, Grey Lady Down from the 90s or more latterly, Thieves' Kitchen skim the surface of Neo but pull influences in from more than just the symphonic Prog of the 70s
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jmcdaniel_ee
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 12:39 |
OK, here's a genre where I have major difficulty. I've heard several "classic" Marillion albums and Spock's Beard, & I think some Magenta too. So far, I can't get into any of it. To me, it seems real formulaic, and also, so polished and precise that it seems sterile. As if they use the same checklist for each song. Perhapse there's almost no balance or room for minimalism. Lack of warmth maybe? or lack of dry human elements? No attempt to incorporate contemporary styes perhapse? No jazz or psychadellic elements? No roughness around the edges?
As strange as it sounds, I'm not knocking the genre entirely, becuase I'm not that familiar with it. I'm just giving my impressions of what I've heard. What would someone steer me to if I want to stay away from anything that could be construed as what I've described my first impressions to be?
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cuncuna
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 12:21 |
I like IQ's "The Wake", and I think that's it for me.
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LinusW
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 12:02 |
I've never listened to a neo-prog album in its entirety, but from many of the samples I've heard the vocals are very dramatic, sometimes bordering on overblown. Now, I like this, but it's not everybody's cup of tea. Just as a word of warning.
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