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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Seventies prog was very UK centric

It's a myth people blindly trust for some reason. Prog was born in the UK, but soon it spread onto other places, like the rest of Europe, the US, and later other countries where there were already strong rock music scenes, like, I dunno, Canada, Japan, Argentina and so on. And by 1979 prog was made all over the map, despite its decline in the UK.

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HAR!  OK, songs like "Champagne Super-Nova" represent the HEIGHT, nay, the very PINNACLE of musicianship of the era!!  In fact, they rivaled weaker compositions such as, oh, "Close to the Edge" or "Fracture."  

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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Seventies prog was very UK centric

It's a myth people blindly trust for some reason. Prog was born in the UK, but soon it spread onto other places, like the rest of Europe, the US, and later other countries where there were already strong rock music scenes, like, I dunno, Canada, Japan, Argentina and so on. And by 1979 prog was made all over the map, despite its decline in the UK.



Hardly a myth. The Big Six is recognised to be ELP, Yes, Genesis, ,Floyd, Tull and Crimson. There is a reaon for that. The other bands came later so 'progressive rock' in its purest form was set down by British bands.

I am a little annoyed that you took my comment out my my main comment and totally ignored the fact that I credited Italy as being very significant. The likes of Banco and PFM are very important but it still doesn't change the main fact that I stated. I'm not being a petty little Englander. Even prog fans from the USA admit they were late to the party. Yes it spread there but again USA prog fans make a distinction between Prog and Fusion. Actual prog bands from the US in the 70's are harder to find and are hardly discussed (Cathedral are an example, heard of them?). Kansas are the most famous but they were leaving any Symph style behined as early as 1975 (Masque) and creating what would eveb now be called 'Crossover'. It was already 'prog lite' even at that point IMO.
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Quote Seriously? Oasis sucks ass.
Yes. Seriously. Oasis was a great band with memorable and well written songs. Noel's songwriting really shined, and the powerful emotional arrangements with that characteristic overdriven guitar and squeaky clean acoustic guitar accompaniment were pretty superb. Liam's vocals are acquired taste but I like them. Besides, I've heard multiple times, from prog fans, that Oasis sucked, yet nobody was able to ellaborate on their opinion as to why.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Oasis (ugh!)
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Seriously? Oasis sucks ass.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The classic era of prog is "almost over" ?   It's been over since 1981.   You, Billy, of all people should know that.
Pretty sure you read that wrong, unless you were just joking LOL
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Seventies prog was very UK centric

It's a myth people blindly trust for some reason. Prog was born in the UK, but soon it spread onto other places, like the rest of Europe, the US, and later other countries where there were already strong rock music scenes, like, I dunno, Canada, Japan, Argentina and so on. And by 1979 prog was made all over the map, despite its decline in the UK.

It's also good to point here that Prog in many countries was something much else than just a copy of UK Prog.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Oasis (ugh!)
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Seriously? Oasis sucks ass.

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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Oasis (ugh!)
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Seriously? Oasis sucks ass.
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Despite being old enough, as I'm born in 1962, I too have missed a lot of bands. I didn't have the opportunity to see Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Syd Barrett end many others performing live. In Italy in the 70s the political situation coused a sort of blackout. Nobody wanted to perform in Italy, so I have missed Emerson Lake and Palmer, just to mention one of the bigs.

Neither RPI bands did, with the exception of Area, but I've missed them too, as they were active mainly in Milan, some 600km from where I live. My first international gig has been Patti Smith in Florence in 1978, not a great performance actually. It was better in the 80s, when Pink FLoyd (without Waters, of course), Bowie, Yes, Wakeman, Marillion, Jethro Tull and many others came back on stage here.

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Originally posted by altered_beast altered_beast wrote:

Yeah I agree if you weren’t there you are considered young. I was into quite a bit of Prog in the 80’s and 90’s but didn’t become obsessed with it until the early 2000’s. My father had some Moody Blues, and really liked Pink Floyd, Steely Dan, etc. so that was kind of my introduction. I’m almost 50 and was a born right after King Crimson split, Peter Gabriel left Genesis, and Rush was emerging.
If you remember the release and were able to experience In the Court of the Crimson King you are definitely an old timer and consider yourself lucky.
 
Maybe a person is considered young if their parents were into prog.
 
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Some people seem to resist the idea that prog was born in the UK. I remember not too long ago getting into a debate (or was it an argument) with a guy in a facebook prog group about what was the first prog album (or first prog band). General consensus says it was King Crimson's debut or if not then at least a UK band such as Pink Floyd, The Nice, Procol Harum or the Moody Blues. This guy on facebook was adamant about it being the US band Touch. He claims the most proggy track on their only album was written in May of 1967 if not sooner (even though the album wasn't released until late 68 or early 69) and so that made them the first prog band. I said if that's the case then ELP was the first prog band because Greg Lake wrote lucky man when he was 12 (around 1957). I didn't continue the discussion after that because it would have been endless if I had. 

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Originally posted by altered_beast altered_beast wrote:

Yeah I agree if you weren’t there you are considered young. I was into quite a bit of Prog in the 80’s and 90’s but didn’t become obsessed with it until the early 2000’s. My father had some Moody Blues, and really liked Pink Floyd, Steely Dan, etc. so that was kind of my introduction. I’m almost 50 and was a born right after King Crimson split, Peter Gabriel left Genesis, and Rush was emerging.
If you remember the release and were able to experience In the Court of the Crimson King you are definitely an old timer and consider yourself lucky.

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Yeah I agree if you weren’t there you are considered young. I was into quite a bit of Prog in the 80’s and 90’s but didn’t become obsessed with it until the early 2000’s. My father had some Moody Blues, and really liked Pink Floyd, Steely Dan, etc. so that was kind of my introduction. I’m almost 50 and was a born right after King Crimson split, Peter Gabriel left Genesis, and Rush was emerging.
If you remember the release and were able to experience In the Court of the Crimson King you are definitely an old timer and consider yourself lucky.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Seventies prog was very UK centric

It's a myth people blindly trust for some reason. Prog was born in the UK, but soon it spread onto other places, like the rest of Europe, the US, and later other countries where there were already strong rock music scenes, like, I dunno, Canada, Japan, Argentina and so on. And by 1979 prog was made all over the map, despite its decline in the UK.

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Quote Seventies prog was very UK centric

It's a myth people blindly trust for some reason. Prog was born in the UK, but soon it spread onto other places, like the rest of Europe, the US, and later other countries where there were already strong rock music scenes, like, I dunno, Canada, Japan, Argentina and so on. And by 1979 prog was made all over the map, despite its decline in the UK.

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Seventies prog was very UK centric it seems although I'm still only beginning to appreciate just how good the Italian bands were. I only liked ELP in the seventies and found most prog stuff to be pretty boring at the time. Funny thing is that when I look at old clips even of of ELP and other bands it's mostly not very interesting. All these old Genesis videos of the Peter Gabriel era that keep surfacing don't make me think I would want to go back and watch them live If I could. ELP could be great but tended to over noodle. The Yessongs video looks like it was filmed in a cave! I suspect when it comes down to it nostalgia is not what it used to be.
I was very glad to see a lot of legendary bands play my home town Swindon back in the late 90's and early to mid 00's. I've seen Colosseum, Leslie West, Mountain, Focus, Wishbone Ash, Steve Howe, The Carl Palmer Band and Jan Akkerman there , 150 paying customers fully treated. Those give me great memories. I don't feel I've missed out that much. There are still great new bands and Big Big Train are an absolute treat to see live. The new line up is going to be very exciting so don't miss out if you want to see these guys and have a chance to see them.

In the early 1990s, I was living in, and working in, Exeter, Devon UK!  A Yank out of water!  Loved it!  I looked very hard for any prog, but Oasis (ugh!) seemed to be the dominant band!  

I'm familiar with Swindon, were you able to hop into London to see music?  Stateside, it is not unusual to travel for hours to concerts.  However, I'm finding that very acceptable concerts/tours are finding their way into smaller venues ad you mentioned, and so I've been satisfied within my budget.  Cheers!

Yep I went to London quite a bit. Saw so many bands I can't name them all but included Porcupine Tree, Ars Nova, Magenta, IQ (inc all of Subterranea), Pallas, Keith Emerson Band, The Nice, Yes (Symphonic tour), Roger Waters (The Wall), The Flower Kings, IAmTheMorning, and that's just the capital. Swindon was well placed for Bristol ( Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Steve Hackett, Anderson and Wakeman to name a few) and Birmingham (Australian Pink Floyd many times! plus Roger Waters twice and J M Jarre twice) and Muse and Marillion at Cardiff International Arena , all very memorable. Latterly I now live down in Cornwall but still caught a few bands this year (Muse at Plymouth, Kasabian and War On Drugs at The Eden Project) and have got Aussie Pink Floyd lined up for December. 
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

But why would anyone 'dig' an artist if not BECAUSE of the music they make?
I suppose there are talented performers who don't produce their own, or maybe even very good, music. Is that what you meant? Lots of musical gymnastics without any real substance.

We're living in a culture with much worshipping of famous persons not least because they're famous, and that can be difficult to avoid.
 
Besides that, worshipping musicians as persons is something else than enjoying their music, even it can make the enjoyment bigger.


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Younger prog fan, 25.75 years old or so here. I'm a little late to the party it seems, but I echo the sentiment of some other younger posters above. Yeah, it would be great to experience certain bands live that either aren't playing anymore, or just aren't playing like they used to (or with new members that don't feel the same). But at the same time, I'm happy to be alive right now. I can access that music at any time AND I can experience newer groups playing live as well. Even the pain of missing my hero, Zappa, playing live (my preferred way to experience his music) is lessened when I remember I'm presented with a glut of full concerts on posthumous ZFT releases.

Would it be great to see Allan Holdsworth or Gentle Giant live in person? Absolutely. But I get Snarky Puppy and Haken, so I'll live.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Seventies prog was very UK centric it seems although I'm still only beginning to appreciate just how good the Italian bands were. I only liked ELP in the seventies and found most prog stuff to be pretty boring at the time. Funny thing is that when I look at old clips even of of ELP and other bands it's mostly not very interesting. All these old Genesis videos of the Peter Gabriel era that keep surfacing don't make me think I would want to go back and watch them live If I could. ELP could be great but tended to over noodle. The Yessongs video looks like it was filmed in a cave! I suspect when it comes down to it nostalgia is not what it used to be.
I was very glad to see a lot of legendary bands play my home town Swindon back in the late 90's and early to mid 00's. I've seen Colosseum, Leslie West, Mountain, Focus, Wishbone Ash, Steve Howe, The Carl Palmer Band and Jan Akkerman there , 150 paying customers fully treated. Those give me great memories. I don't feel I've missed out that much. There are still great new bands and Big Big Train are an absolute treat to see live. The new line up is going to be very exciting so don't miss out if you want to see these guys and have a chance to see them.

In the early 1990s, I was living in, and working in, Exeter, Devon UK!  A Yank out of water!  Loved it!  I looked very hard for any prog, but Oasis (ugh!) seemed to be the dominant band!  

I'm familiar with Swindon, were you able to hop into London to see music?  Stateside, it is not unusual to travel for hours to concerts.  However, I'm finding that very acceptable concerts/tours are finding their way into smaller venues ad you mentioned, and so I've been satisfied within my budget.  Cheers!
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