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^ It is clear that you - and apparently some others here - have not listened to the interview. He is not insulting his fans, nor Genesis, nor putting Abba on a pedestal. He's just saying that there is very good and sophisticated pop music out there (citing The Beatles and Abba...) and that he cannot relate to people who dismiss pop because it is pop. In the same way he can not engage with people (e.g. prog fans) who dismiss his music when it is not prog enough. That seams to me a very sane stance that every artist should take. He does what he wants to do: making music (be it prog or not).

I listened to his new album. To my ears it is rather forgettable, although one song stands out: Personal Shopper - it has an interesting Frankie Goes To Hollywood-vibe over it...
Which maybe points to something why I don't like much of his music: for me it is often a mix of styles and music that I've heard before - it lacks originality. I could never relate to PT or his solo albums. Actually, in my opinion, Steven Wilson has done his most original work with Tim Bowness under the No-Man monniker - there are a couple of No-Man albums that I really enjoy. Not always very proggy, but who cares...

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Steven Wilson having his head up his own arse is not shock news LOL
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I've seen a few wives break up bands, so it's possible.

I doubt any wife is solely to blame, especially when you factor in years of frustration and bitterness within any given band. 

If anything, the wife is usually the sacrificial lamb. The easy target. The one person everyone can point to and blame because she, "said that annoying thing one time" so they don't have to blame one another.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

  Or he may like to have some commercial success. 

I don't think this makes much sense (of course you're not claiming it directly, but others have done so). His prog work was in fact quite commercially successful, and surely it isn't predictable that moving to more poppy music will bring better sales if you're well established in a different community. People can think of his latest albums whatever they want (and I'm not a fan), but this idea that people go away from prog not because they genuinely and for musical reasons want to do something else but rather in order to be commercially successful doesn't hold water for me. For every Genesis there are five examples where this failed miserably. I think people should stop thinking that Wilson went this direction in order to make money.
Being commercially successful does not always translate to making money. Not in the modern world of digital downloads and Spotify. It does translate to being a better known artist and that opens a lot of doors not available to a niche artist. Perhaps he'll get Brian May or Lady Gaga to perform on his next album, because he'll need wider recognition to get artists like that on board.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

  Or he may like to have some commercial success. 

I don't think this makes much sense (of course you're not claiming it directly, but others have done so). His prog work was in fact quite commercially successful, and surely it isn't predictable that moving to more poppy music will bring better sales if you're well established in a different community. People can think of his latest albums whatever they want (and I'm not a fan), but this idea that people go away from prog not because they genuinely and for musical reasons want to do something else but rather in order to be commercially successful doesn't hold water for me. For every Genesis there are five examples where this failed miserably. I think people should stop thinking that Wilson went this direction in order to make money.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

The woman he recently married probably hates prog and is no doubt an influence on his recent pop direction and insulting prog and prog fans. Maybe.


You're blaming his wife for his recent album? And for his insulting prog fans??  
I've seen a few wives brake up bands, so it's possible. Not likely, but still possible.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

The woman he recently married probably hates prog and is no doubt an influence on his recent pop direction and insulting prog and prog fans. Maybe.

You're blaming his wife for his recent album? And for his insulting prog fans??  
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Steven Wilson ruined prog.


Nobody can ruin prog, but trust me I know exactly your sentiment here.

Wilson continues to prove all my assumptions about his personality correct, without fail.

His new music sucks and I think it's a perfect, and logical, reflection of his attitude TBQH.
Actually, this is a take off of some loony's thread on the Progressive Ears web forum titled "Phil Collins Ruined Prog". I'm afraid that this thread is as silly and uselessly negative as that one was.
I hate to make such a statement without an explanation. I have no desire to listen to Wilson's latest. But after the man made 16 prog albums in various styles with PT, and remixed over 40 prog albums by other artists and toured extensively, it's a good guess that he may actually have gotten tired of prog. It happens. Or he may like to have some commercial success. We don't know his reasons so perhaps, at this point, we can give him the benefit of the doubt. There is still 16 studio albums of prog for the die-hards to listen to with twice that many live albums and DVDS. Not exactly a prog desert.

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Steven Wilson ruined prog.


Nobody can ruin prog, but trust me I know exactly your sentiment here.

Wilson continues to prove all my assumptions about his personality correct, without fail.

His new music sucks and I think it's a perfect, and logical, reflection of his attitude TBQH.
Actually, this is a take off of some loony's thread on the Progressive Ears web forum titled "Phil Collins Ruined Prog". I'm afraid that this thread is as silly and uselessly negative as that one was.
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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

his commercial music isn't going anywhere---Peter G got lucky with one album and it was fantastic ---he needs to stop listening and worrying about other peoples music (which his music very often sounds like)  and make what he wants to make--but it isn't commercial...and it won't have an effect on the music industry like Genesis-Abba and PG did.

Have you heard the interview? He's basically saying the opposite. He pisses off some of his old fanbase by actually doing what he wants to do. He also says (not 100% sure whether that's true) that his prog albums catering for those fans were commercially most successful. Sure he cares about other people's music but this is because he is a music lover, and I think he is genuine. This doesn't make me appreciate his last few albums more though, but that's personal on my behalf. I surely buy that he is authentic about what he's doing, I mean as authentic as a guy like him can be.


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I have no problem with what he's saying. Neither do I have a problem with the direction he is taking. If only the album was better... Unhappy
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Steven Wilson ruined prog.

Nobody can ruin prog, but trust me I know exactly your sentiment here.

Wilson continues to prove all my assumptions about his personality correct, without fail.

His new music sucks and I think it's a perfect, and logical, reflection of his attitude TBQH.

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Steven Wilson ruined prog.
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The woman he recently married probably hates prog and is no doubt an influence on his recent pop direction and insulting prog and prog fans. Maybe.
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He disses Genesis? Then why did he do his a Genesis track with Hackett, as well as he has worked on a few other songs with him. And I remember, I think it is Drive Home, that has sounds very similar to Genesis at parts.
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his commercial music isn't going anywhere---Peter G got lucky with one album and it was fantastic ---he needs to stop listening and worrying about other peoples music (which his music very often sounds like)  and make what he wants to make--but it isn't commercial...and it won't have an effect on the music industry like Genesis-Abba and PG did.
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Who cares if he likes Abba? I don't get the issue here.
And how do you know how people listen/move to symphonic prog?

I've danced around to a Gentle Giant song lol. And yes I also like Abba, is all of that illegal in the prog realm or something??
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And if Wilson had said..I want more money so I am producing commercial music hoping that some of that money that fills abba's pockets can now fill mine...fair enough...but don't pretend that it's the music you admire most...if raven had sold two hundred million copies he would have done raven II with a song called "up yours benny" on it...🖖

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Steve. Just gone back to using an old username....but I've not been on here for 10 months or so...been too busy in the fight against the invisible chemical pathogen thats been in the news more than Megan Markle....
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