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ExittheLemming 
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 Posted: January 28 2012 at 04:38 |
 Snow Dog wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
I think it all too easy to fall into the trap of nationalistic stereotypes
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Kotro
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Posted: January 28 2012 at 04:32 |
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Totaly with you guys on Au-Delà du Délire, by far my favorite French album.
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Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:28 |
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I'd say that I really like the two Harmonium albums but I'd add Ange - Au Dela du Délire and Émile Jacotey. ... |
Remember one slight thing ... Emile Jacotey was done ... what ... almost 20 years before Roger Waters did his own version? ... and I like Ange's version better ... it was more honest and did not have to be flashy and pull out all the haters in suburbia, or cynics, that Roger does. Doesn't mean I did not like Roger's -- it's a magnificent album ... but the whole thing was already in my heart by Ange.
One other thing about Emile Jacotey ... I was born in 1950. That generation born in Europe and the one born right after the war in the late 40's, is still highly influenced by the envents on WW2. And something like Ange's makes a lot of sense to us born in Europe. It will not make that much sense to many of the folks born in America, for example, just like Roger's album wouldn't either ... but we loved a few hits and cuts!
In that sense, Ange was much more important ... "Au Dela Du Delire" puts a perspective on the "fantasy" and "story thing" that Genesis did not, and then they placed the efforts on an album that goes visceral about war ... specially with "Ego et Deus", as a title for a piece .... which is not something that is not exactly comprehensible to most folks ... it's like asking ... what the hell is this all about? Ego or God ... and of course, the English, such strong imperialists will get very defensive about that and Americans will tell you ... what are you talking about? Btw, now check out the same type of political/social comments in "ITCOTKC" ... almost identical!
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Posted: January 27 2012 at 11:19 |
kenethlevine wrote:
yes Alan Stivell in rock. I saw him live on my birthday years ago with a band. He opened with Brian Boru, excellent! Which rock album of his would you recommend the most?
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Let me look at my album list and come back.
"Again" for sure ... but a couple of the live albums are very good as well. I'm thinking "Before Landing", but that is also a very political album that will turn off all the new age'ing progressive folks.
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Posted: January 27 2012 at 01:09 |
I think highly of this strongly Gentle Giant textured selection from Quebec:  From the motherland I lean toward this one:  But honestly the majority of French albums I like are instrumental or Magma.
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 22:06 |
I have few albums from France (or Quebec), and fewer that have vocals at all, much less in French. In fact I believe the only album I have that qualifies is Halloween Merlin. Possibly I should work on changing that! (Love Merlin, by the way!)
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kenethlevine
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 19:29 |
moshkito wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Ange- Au Dela du Delire
Pulsar- Gorlitz
a few other great ones
Shylock- Ile de Fievre |
Agreed.
I was also going to mention things like Mona Lisa, Alan Stivell, Malecorne, Machiavel (not sure if this was part Italian or not), Atoll, and the Heldon factory.
All in all, Alan Stivell is the tough one, because he is not "new age" and he mixes everything, and the kitchen spoons in what he does, but the best part of his work for me, is when he uses a rock band ... it is fantastic ... and quite moving and powerful and explosive. But I think that for many folks here the idea of a Celtic Harp on top of all that electronic and hardcore electric stuff like "progressive" kills the definition for them ... and for an example ... listen to the album "Again" ... which I think was made to try and get some rock audiences to listen to it some more. It's magnificent ... but again, it is also eccentric, Celtic, and off the wall, and it does not stop! |
yes Alan Stivell in rock. I saw him live on my birthday years ago with a band. He opened with Brian Boru, excellent! Which rock album of his would you recommend the most?
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 18:26 |
I'd say that I really like the two Harmonium albums but I'd add Ange - Au Dela du Délire and Émile Jacotey. Maybe some Miriodor too. And Etron Fou Leloublan. And...
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moshkito
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 12:39 |
tszirmay wrote:
Ange- Au Dela du Delire
Pulsar- Gorlitz
a few other great ones
Shylock- Ile de Fievre |
Agreed.
I was also going to mention things like Mona Lisa, Alan Stivell, Malecorne, Machiavel (not sure if this was part Italian or not), Atoll, and the Heldon factory.
All in all, Alan Stivell is the tough one, because he is not "new age" and he mixes everything, and the kitchen spoons in what he does, but the best part of his work for me, is when he uses a rock band ... it is fantastic ... and quite moving and powerful and explosive. But I think that for many folks here the idea of a Celtic Harp on top of all that electronic and hardcore electric stuff like "progressive" kills the definition for them ... and for an example ... listen to the album "Again" ... which I think was made to try and get some rock audiences to listen to it some more. It's magnificent ... but again, it is also eccentric, Celtic, and off the wall, and it does not stop!
Edited by moshkito - January 26 2012 at 12:51
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 12:10 |
Pascal Duffard's Dieu est fou is amazing ! I didn't know that guy. Thanks ! 
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 11:30 |
I'm quite fond of Nemo, Jean Luc Ponty, Dun, Nil, Thork, Moving Gelatin Plates, and to a much lesser extent Clearlight and Minimum Vital. Shylock, and some of the ones listed above, don't actually use the French language at all, which I think was a requirement of the topic. Or was it? Anyway, I'm hard pressed to pick one. Oh, and I also love Harmonium. Guess I should probably try out Ange at some point, eh? 
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 11:21 |
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There is no best French Prog album. I have a big French Prog collection as that used to be what I primarily collected. Most of my favourites are instrumental, and Art Zoyd's Generation Sans Futur is a particular favourite (has some vocals, but... and Igor Wakhevitch made other faves). In terms of ones with French lyrics though, the first to spring to my mind is Pascal Duffard's Dieu est Fou.
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 10:31 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
I think it all too easy to fall into the trap of nationalistic stereotypes
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Och aye, put some shrimp on the barbie and fetch me a tinny, the noo.
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 10:00 |
note my prog folk slant when considering these recommendations
Alan Stivell's "Reflets" comes to mind - celtic prog folk, but some sung in English and some in Breton Pentacle "Le Clef des Songes" Garolou - Garolou Motis - Prince Des Hauteurs Dan Ar Braz - Allez dire a la Ville Tri Yann - Belle et Rebelle
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 02:20 |
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It's not christian, but Bernard !
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 02:19 |
Anyone heard about Christian Szajner from Switzerland ? He recorded the album in english : "Brute Reason" with Howard Devoto in the early eighties. He also invented the laser harp. I met him last year in Paris in a museum. He's a kind of painter now.
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 01:43 |
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Posted: January 26 2012 at 01:41 |
My favourite for the time being - and has been for the past couple of years, is Nil's masterpiece Nil Novo Sub Sole. I saw John mentioning earlier, but man this album just doesn't get the attention it truly deserves. One of the best progressive albums during the past 25 years and I'm not even exaggerating here people. Other faves of mine: Arachnoid Bernard Perganotti - Paga Triode - On n'a pas fini d'avoir tout vu Catherine Ribeiro + Les Alpes - Paix A bit of a let down here, because many of my fave French artists recorded instrumental albums - at least they didn't exactly use their native tongue. Acts like Igor Wakhewicth (I'll never learn to spell that), Laurent Thibault and Magma.
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Posted: January 25 2012 at 08:36 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Thought of one at last. |
Well, at least one song in their si sung in French, very good album all the same.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: January 25 2012 at 08:11 |
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I think it all too easy to fall into the trap of nationalistic stereotypes when it comes to identifying artists or albums that we like to think are representative of the best of a country's contribution to Prog. That said, I do feel that French Prog does have a theatrical, dramatic and melodramatic bent as exemplified by Ange, Arachnoid, Halloween,
Magma and Shylock etc For me the 'best' album I've heard (and that means I've heard very little French Prog) might be Au-dela Du Delire by Ange
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