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Slartibartfast 
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 Posted: February 12 2010 at 20:59 |
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I'm not really into prog metal, but I do enjoy prog that delves into the heavier side of music. Dial it back six years or so and I wouldn't be accepting of metal being part of the prog universe at all. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything though, nor do I have a problem with the idea of some metal as prog. As I have said before, I'm more of a big tenter than a narrow caster.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 20:37 |
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I like everything.
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topofsm
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 19:14 |
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I love most metal, so definitely prog metal. I have to recognize the original progressive rock's importance. However, there are metal bands doing things in the past 15-20 years that are doing more innovative things to introduce new ideas to music, and not simply just harsh vocals. Shame on you all who think that's the only stuff metal contributes!
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Hox
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:29 |
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moshkito
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:17 |
 ... So I am in between + I should give DT another try (any recommendations on where to start will be much appreciated) ... |
I don't dislike DT ... and while it may not be everyone's preference ... most "prog" folks can't stand classical music next to their favorites like Genesis and ELP (hehehe ... had to say it!) ... and in the end ... I really think that the live album with the orchestra is magnificent ... if that soloist on guitar was Yo Ma, or a solo artist in great standing, everyone would think it was fabulous, and what a marvelous and expressive player that guitarist was ... but no ... we call it "metal" ... and the appreciation of someone's depth and determination in their musical talent is ... wasted.
DT is not about "metal" ... any more than they are "prog" ... but these might be the best generic words to describe them ... the music is amazingly well written, designed and defined ... and it really doesn't matter if it sounds like Orff, Rachmaninoff, Beethoven or Mozart ... but somehow in this board and a lot of "prog" places, they all want just Beethoven and Mozart ... ears having a hard time accepting/appreciating something totally different ...
Think of a moment in a movie ... that is almost exactly like the description of DT ... and it is the moment in the movie "Amadeus" when Mozart plays to the king ... and no one has a reaction to the music ... which is so different that anything else ... and the word is ... "too many notes ... yes, that's it ... too many notes" ...
Did anyone listen to the music? ... the answer would be almost ... NO ... they turned it off because it was "metal" ... not because it was "music" ...
Edited by moshkito - February 12 2010 at 16:21
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:10 |
I listen to everything pretty much in the Rock category. Prog metal to me is long songs with death growl..I don't listen to Opeth and other dark metal bands, dark lyrics are OK (DT, PT.....) but I am not fond of Opeth and the like.
I am not 100% convinced in my mind I call DT prog metal, if that includes bands like Opeth, Redemption, Spheric Universe Experiment....Maybe I call DT heavy/hard prog. I do enjoy classic prog...
I'm just a rocker who likes bands that happen to have more formal labels.... ehhh
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J-Man
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:08 |
MrEdifus wrote:
I like prog-metal. And non-metal prog. And non-prog metal.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:06 |
rdtprog wrote:
It's like metal is the new modern sound of prog or neo prog.
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Well, there's the problem right there.
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darksideof
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:04 |
I can honestly say that I got into prog metal and now I am metal fan as well thanks to Dream theater. Before I heard of the name Dream theater. I Was only into Classic Prog/Fusion and jazz.
Honestly!
So to anwer your question I do love progmetal as much as progrock!
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rdtprog
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 15:53 |
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I am both. I think that there's a lot of good prog metal band. And there's some prog band that have included in their soud some metal influence (Pendragon, Sylvan, Magenta). It's like metal is the new modern sound of prog or neo prog. I also like classic prog band that have no links to metal, like Yes, Flower Kings etc. So, i must say that prog metal is surley part of my prog experience.
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ProgressiveAttic
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 15:44 |
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I am a big "classic" prog fan and I do like some metal (Rainbow, Iron Maiden, etc.)... but I am not a big metal fan and I do not get bands such as DT and Opeth....
I do enjoy metalish prog such as Neal Morse's Sola Scriptuara and King Crimson's The Power to Believe...
So I am in between + I should give DT another try (any recommendations on where to start will be much appreciated)
Edited by ProgressiveAttic - February 12 2010 at 15:46
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moshkito
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 15:35 |
Hi,
Neither!
I listen to all music and think that labels are for people that want to find an excuse not to listen to something else out there ...
There's music and then there are labels ... you choose!
I keep thinking that if my name was Jesus, the last thing I would want is to come back here ... with all the labels andthis and that, you think anyone will get it ... and appreciate it? ... nahh ... it's not "prog" ...
Edited by moshkito - February 12 2010 at 15:37
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Lewa
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 14:41 |
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I started out as one of the no-metal-persons you described. For a long time I thought I couldn't stand anything metal related.
Then, about a year ago I made a concious effort to get into prog-metal by borrowing some cds and listening to the streams here on PA. I wanted to ease myself in gently and suffered through the whole stream of the "normal" prog-metal subgenre first. I didn't get it at all.
Some weeks later I decided to give it another try and started to listenen to the tech/extrem stream. There I discovered that I really like metal, really like growls and generally even prefer the harder stuff (the weirder the better).
The normal/symph metal still does nothing for me, while I find many bands in the other categories very innovative. I'm glad I finally got over myself and learned to like metal. I would have missed great music otherwise.
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Raff
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 13:24 |
Dean wrote:
By far the best album I've heard so far this year is "The Never Ending Way Of The ORWarriOR" by Orphaned Land - I urge all and every Prog fan to hear this album - if you don't like prog metal this could change your mind. |
I haven't heard this one, but I have heard Mabool, which impressed me a whole lot. Undoubtedly one of the most original approaches to prog-metal I have ever heard in the past few years - so far removed from the endless stream of DT clones.
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Dean
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 12:19 |
By far the best album I've heard so far this year is "The Never Ending Way Of The ORWarriOR" by Orphaned Land - I urge all and every Prog fan to hear this album - if you don't like prog metal this could change your mind.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 10:18 |
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I never used to like any metal related prog at all but fairly recently I have gotten to appreciate Opeth, Porcupine Tree (some it sounds metallic to me at any rate) Diablo Swing Orchestra and Borknagar.
Guess it's a start but yes, the so-called 'growling' can be effective if used sparingly but given so many metal bands now do it, surely it's in danger of already obeying the law that all fads and gimmicks are ultimately subject to i.e.
that of diminishing returns ?
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TheGazzardian
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 10:01 |
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I've liked various different metals in the past before I discovered prog, and find that I like some prog metal as well. So far Experimental/Post Metal has been the genre that I've enjoyed the most, with Tech/Extreme being the least. However, the songs that are just heavy chugging guitars + screaming, I dont enjoy so much. I enjoy the more melodic or at least interesting compositions - so, for example, I love Devin Townsends "Soul Driven" while loathing his "Universe in a Ball".
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 09:53 |
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I started out liking trash, punk, hardcore, death, goth and the likes before I ever heard any prog-metal - at least I wasnīt aware of the "proginess" of Death, Napalm Death (who would fit in the archives by the way) and Neurosis. When I finally stumbled over Opeth, I found it really hard to take the mellow vocals with my metal. Incidentally my first ever musical love was Pink Floyd - go figure.
Iīll listen to anything as long as itīs got heart.
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clarke2001
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 09:15 |
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I like old prog and some metal (on a thrashy side)
Prog metal is not my cup of tea. To be frank, I'm not too keen on modern prog in general.
Of course there are exceptions...and they're growing every day. This site helped me realise there's not only good modern music..but there's also bad music from the 70's, which I idealized in a way.
As for prog-metal, it's unfair to say I dislike it simply because I'm not familiar with it. Most of the stuff I checked leave me cold. Not all though (Pax Cecilia are great).
I do like some modern prog which is often intersecting with prog metal - The Mars Volta, Chrome Hoof, Taal. Hence, I'm sure prog metal is hiding some nice surprises for me in the future. Especially, if on a thrashier side, with not-so-perfect production.
As for the staples of the genre, Dream Theater, I have mixed emotions. Some moments are awful, some are great.
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progmetalhead
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 09:10 |
CryoftheCarrots wrote:
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