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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17259 |
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Last night I watched a lovely family film called Marcellino Pan y Vino, which was made in 1955 in Spain. It is about a young child adopted by Franciscan friars after his mother's death. The boy is a little rascal who keeps interesting the lives of these monks and of course they get very attached to him. Over time he develops a relationship with our Lord that is handled very beautifully by the filmmaker.
By today's standards the film is old fashioned and this might bother today's viewer used to action and modern technique. But if you are looking for an affirming family film that embraces faith rather than mocking it, this is a charming little story. There are many positive messages throughout. There have been remakes over the years but i would encourage you to seek out the original 1955 version, there's something special about this film. The DVD comes with subtitles or an English audio track if you don't like reading subtitles. |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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I don't blame that woman, that's an act of faith, and God knows if that woman even know who's Darwin, they are a product of schools who teach that Intelligent Design is a science. A few Catholics believe in ID (Very few, specially in USA), but even they know that it's not science, it's religion....I criticize people who use the prefix Dr, before their names and say teach that evolution is diabolic. My nephew has 10 years, and he studies in the same Catholic School I did, just gave him my copy of The Origin of the Species I used many decades ago (I keep some school books covered with transparent plastic), the funny thing is that he also has the same science teacher I had, the guy must be 60 at least (he was a newly graduate in my days and heard Rick Wakeman), but I'm glad he is still there, because the guy taught me that evolution is not incompatible with faith. |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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All true, though nothing beats the woman saying "I'd encourage Mr. Darwin to try God"
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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I've seen the video, it's moronic . Kan Ham is the idiot who created the atrocious Creation Museum, with scientific exhibitions as: ![]() ![]() God, you have to be a bit retarded to believe that human lived with dinosaurs simultaneously against all proofs. - Pastor Peter la Ruffa is a perfect idiot with his phrase:
That's what I call "Moron and proud"...The Bible is a book of faith, not a book of science - Dr (In what?) Charles Bonner is the worst retarded of all, he says the worst stupidity many creationists fal in, is to believe that huan body is made at the image of God: a) Man was made at the image of God b) Then Man can't be an animal, because God is not an animal. That's stupid, Saint Augustine in 410 (City of God), clearley explained this:
This ignorant pastors doctors in God know what, downgrade God to the corruptible nature of man. God doesn't have a body, a face, eyes, arms, etc..God is a spiritual being and the only part of man that can be the image of God, is man's immortal soul. The Pope John Paul II was clear in this point when talking to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (He was a Real doctor in Theology, Philosophy and History, but never used the title)
So, anybody who believes the corruptible human body is made at the image of God, is an ignorant. Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 12 2014 at 15:18 |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Ivan, here's is some of what some of those you mentioned believe in. I respect beliefs but idiocy ... |
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Moogtron III ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
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Okay, now I understand. That's a broad education you had, good for you! I hope you'll find the time, in the future, to complete theology studies. Is it just for interest that you would finish it, or would you want to do something with it professionally as well? |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Didn't stopped Moogtron. Our University system contemplates 2 years of General Studies, and we are forced to take 2 years of a foreign language that wasn't taught at your school (I Took German) because my school is from USA, and also you have to take 8 classes of another profession different to the one you will go, I took 4 classes of History and 4 classes of Theology, but liked both, so I took my elective courses (28 credits) 30%/70% in history and Theology, but even more, I asked permission to take my 2 mandatory Philosophy classes, the Ethic class, and a couple more in the Theology faculty. I made more or less 50% of the Theology career and 25% of the History, I planned to finish Theology. But when I finished General Studies, I had to start my law classes, and focus in the career, plus we have to make 2 years of Pre-Professional Practice in a law firm to get your degree, and I didn't have time. Then I started to work as a lawyer in a chemical company and never finished. I plan to complete the studies in some years when the situation is better. Iván |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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As I told you in the PM, I found that video disgusting. It saddens me how people are ignorant and kept in ignorance so as to become easier preys for these type of predators. poor people, many I'm sure didn't even have that much money yet they willingly give it away to fraudsters like that woman.
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Moogtron III ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
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Theologian J.I. Packer once called theologians are some sort of water expurgators. There are a lot of things going on in Christianity which should be critically followed, it's like expurgating water from bacterias and other harmful elements. In a certain phase in my life was quite astounded by prosperity gospel, which says you can pray for anything that your heart desires, and poverty is a sign of unbelief. Nowadays, I could easily put that aside because of simply reading the Bible, and pointing towards millions of strong believers with little or no money. Still, it hinders me that so many people in Christianity have strange thoughts and dogmas. You should always be critical, that's for sure. Me, I studied law and later did theology, so it looked like I took the opposite route, or am I mistaking? Just being curious.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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I was talking with Theo and sent him a video of a woman who asks the faithful members of her "CULT" for money to touch the head of a statue that will supposedly give them a lot of money (THAT'S IDOLATRY, THE IMAGE REPLACES GOD, OUR SAINTS DON'T REPLACE GOD), she divides the crew in two groups, one that have to pay US$ 1,000.000 that will go first, and others that can pay US$ 500.00 that will touch the statue later.
When people say they don't have money, she has the nerve to say that she accepts a car or diamonds or jewelry. One poor woman handles here a paper with her name, and the preacher calls her DISHONEST, because that paper is worth nothing, until she finds the poor woman is giving her a check and her face changes. It's totally in Spanish and can't post it here. But those people harm Christianity, when people sees them place all of us in the same sack, just as the lamest miracle in history. For those who don't speak Spanish, the guy says that the woman has an arm shorter than the other (Placing one hand obviously behind the other). The guy speaks in Spanish and makes some sounds (According to them, language of angels ![]() This merchants of faith, should disappear. Iván
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geekfreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 21 2013 Location: Musical Garden Status: Offline Points: 9872 |
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my faith is my light. I`ll be more fourth forward later.
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silverpot ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 19 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 841 |
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Taste is obviously something that money can´t buy.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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^Because that guy is unknown outside of the little circle that follows his particular cult. I know he is part of a larger thing but since there is no monolithic church in charge of the other Christian religions, it's quite difficult to keep track of all the scammers and buffoons out there preaching nonsense and making themselves rich. Evangelism seems to be a pretty good business. If I had the magic touch I might become an evangelist myself
![]() The Catholic Church rather difficult history and the fact that is easily identifiable makes it an easier target. EDIT: Also, I forgot: this guy's home makes me sick, both for the fact that his "believers" are probably in misery (I've seen some browsing channels late at night when I was in Ecuador) and, of course, for the INCREDIBLY ATROCIOUS TASTE.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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You know, I collect antiques and my parents worked in antiques all their lives, my mother is an expert. I know, the room has the style of a new rich, but it's expensive - He has three Boulle cabinets, at least US$ 15,000 each one - Two Boulle side bed $ 7,500 each one - The mirror, maybe 20 grand - The bed is a nightmare, but easily 4 or 5 grand - Two marble pillars, distatasteful but at least 5 grand each - The two chairs and foot furniture are modern imitations but still very expensive, let's say 5 grand We only see 50% of the room and it's worth morre or less US$ 65,000.00 But the site http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/9852888/Conoces-la-casa-del-obispo-de-la-iglesia-pare-de-sufrir.html also shows us this: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The Chimney is invaluable, probably brought from an European house or castle Another site http://www.dogguie.net/la-presunta-mansion-de-edir-macedo/ shows: ![]() ![]() She believes we are before at least 3 millions in furniture and marble Without counting the house itself ![]() ![]() And people don't speak about this. |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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1. Remarkable what the current Pope is doing and he might be able to bring more believers into your Church Ivan precisely by breaking with some of the things of the past. 2. Remarkable bad taste of the room below.
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Thanks Ivan. I am off to bed shortly, so will not respond to all. So, just a couple of quick points. If by Catholic, you mean the Universal Church, then I am very happy to agree with you re your main points about Orthodox and Anglican. Indeed, the last post in the thread saw this as well. I do absolutely agree with you about the belligerence of atheists. I have said before that I have become a little less of a believer as I have grown older, and I genuinely regret that. I do, though, have a very open mind, and took the trouble to read Dawkins, our most (in)famous atheist. I find his love of biblical language and culture wholly genuine, but the way he, and very much others who have followed him recently, has sought to make atheism almost a new religion in its profound dislike and attacks on religious beliefs makes me extremely uncomfortable. Those discussions are, of course, rather mirrored in these threads on PA. I passionately believe that religion should be separated from state politics. I also passionately believe that those of us who profess to believe should be allowed to do so without fear of persecution or ridicule. That does not mean that we should not accept the failings of the church we belong to, far from it. With learning comes a sense of maturity, and I think, an opportunity to come closer to God. Many scientists have said the same thing - the more they learn, the more they have faith that there is more than mere facts and physics. Also, I rather think that the new Pope could, if he lives long enough, transform the church in the way that John XXIII wanted to, but ran out of time to do so. We need a new Vatican Council, I believe, to take on the work of the second to its natural progression. Many will ridicule me for saying this. I care not. Nos Da (good night).
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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The tithe was supposed to be only in agricultural products, because the Rabi had to eat, but not to be the richest man in a country.
Now it has changed, some guys as the Bishop Macedo from the "Pare de Sufrir" Evangelical Church in Brazil has gained a fortune of 1.1 Billion dollars FOR HIM all from the tithe of the poorest
This is where the suposedly millionare Pope sleeps ![]() A comfortable but modest bedroom LEND to him. This is where Obispo Macedo (Pare de Sufrir Evangelical Church) sleeps http://forums.tibiabr.com/showthread.php?235384-Fotos-da-casa-do-bispo-Edir-Macedo!-Olha-pra-onde-o-seu-dinheiro-vai-)#.UvlMkGJ5OSo ![]() All "apparently" with the money of the poorest people in Brazil. That's not what the Bible intended with the tithe. Iván
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Not sure how you define the term "catholic" here. If it is what the Catholic Church is now, this is very different from what the Orthodox Church tradition - which is largely the Byzantine tradition (i.e. the Eastern Roman Church). If, of course, you mean Catholic in the context of the Gospel then I agree.
This tithe thing - I was not aware that this is going on, the only place I have met this is in the Gospel, i.e. the Jews contributing 10% of their income. Interesting discussion. EDIT: just read the last post, got what you mean Edited by aapatsos - February 10 2014 at 15:34 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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The Anglican Church is catholic, and didn't grew from the reformation Laz. Henry the VIII was the defender of the Catholic Church, and they consider themselves Catholics ![]()
As a fact the Ordinariate allows Anglican Priests to enter to the Roman Catholic Church keepin their marriage. The Protestants are iconoclasts and don't worship Maru, don't have the seven sacraments, so the Anglicans are fully Catholics.
Yes, we know that (In Birmingham Alabama I attended to an Orthodox Church, because the Roman Catholic was too far from where i lived, being that we are allowed to do so), but since the Uniata (Uniate), many Orthodox Churches have reunited accepting the Pope's authority.
So the situation is far more complex
That I leave ti you Laz, not so familiar with the historical facts, I just know they don't accept tithe today
I thank your contribution, it's very interesting to learn some facts i don't know. I studied theology in the university parallel to my career and history, but never went for the full degree, so there are facts I'm not familiar from smaller churches. Plus you know, there are more than 50,000 small Protestant and evangelical churches, cults and/opr sects, and this changes every day, so there's no way to keep updated-
I honestly have the greatest of respects for the big and formal Protestant churches, the Jews, Moslems, Budgists and almost every religion. In Jerusalem I prayed in the Mosque and the Synagogue as well as the Basilica of the Holy Sepulcher because I promised my mentor to do that in respect for the God of Abraham. But as you, I can't accept those who want throw us their believes in our faces and attack us. I believe religion and atheism is a free choice (My two closest friends are atheist and Agnostic), so anybody who wants to force us to do something make me sick, no matter if religious or atheist. But we have been silent for decades, we received coward attacks, and I'm not willing to accept them anymore, most Protestant Churches are respectable, as Billy Graham said, there is much more that unites us that what separates us, but mainly evangelical churches are in a battle to get more converse, a bad habit that belligerent atheists have learned well. Cheers Iván
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Ivan, as I hope you are aware, I am generally more sympathetic to your views than many here when it comes to your beliefs, but I will point out a couple of truths here. The Anglican Church is a Protestant church. It grew out of the Reformation in England. The Orthodox churches split from the Roman Catholic Church in the 10th century. The Great Schism. The tithe in Britain, where the established church is Protestant, as far as I am aware, was ended as a statutory duty in the 19th century. I wasn't going to contribute much to these threads. As I posted elsewhere, I find evangelical atheists as pointless as religious ones, but historical fact, when we are talking about our beliefs. Is, I believe, very important. The main point, though, is, what possible business is it of an Atheist where those lovely images you posted of the Cathedral in Lima come from? The post was designed to provoke you, and you responded true to form. Ignore it and them. You will never reach an accommodation with them.
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