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Poll Question: Do you consider Steely Dan as a prog band ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 20:57
Like the Docc says
Looking still the same after all these years...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 18:47
Originally posted by Hawkwise Hawkwise wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

All you ne'sayers can gnash your teeth if you want.
What's the good in raising ire about such a subjective question?
Steely Dan are here.
I believe from what I've read that the majority of people on this site hold them in high reverence.
They are in my opinion progressive in that they have a high level of musicianship, thought-provoking lyrics, arrangements which are surpassed by few and a style so totally unique that no-one before or since have been able to better.
I know there are limits to what is acceptable as prog (crossover-prog) but the Dan to me are not even close to being contentious. It's not like Nickleback or James Blunt are being added to the Progressive Archives.hahaWink
I would say a more rewarding approach would be to open yourself to a band that have a long track record of ground breaking art and have elevated a form of music to a point where they set the bar for others to come.
 

Thats all well and good but does that make them Prog ??


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Well, yes, in my book it does and from what I can see from the Pa book, it does too, croosover-prog that is.Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 18:43
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 ^ well said      ..next up for addition, Michael Buble






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 18:40
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

All you ne'sayers can gnash your teeth if you want.
What's the good in raising ire about such a subjective question?
Steely Dan are here.
I believe from what I've read that the majority of people on this site hold them in high reverence.
They are in my opinion progressive in that they have a high level of musicianship, thought-provoking lyrics, arrangements which are surpassed by few and a style so totally unique that no-one before or since have been able to better.
I know there are limits to what is acceptable as prog (crossover-prog) but the Dan to me are not even close to being contentious. It's not like Nickleback or James Blunt are being added to the Progressive Archives.hahaWink
I would say a more rewarding approach would be to open yourself to a band that have a long track record of ground breaking art and have elevated a form of music to a point where they set the bar for others to come.
 

Thats all well and good but does that make them Prog ??




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 18:34
 ^ well said      ..next up for addition, Michael Buble






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 18:31
All you ne'sayers can gnash your teeth if you want.
What's the good in raising ire about such a subjective question?
Steely Dan are here.
I believe from what I've read that the majority of people on this site hold them in high reverence.
They are in my opinion progressive in that they have a high level of musicianship, thought-provoking lyrics, arrangements which are surpassed by few and a style so totally unique that no-one before or since have been able to better.
I know there are limits to what is acceptable as prog (crossover-prog) but the Dan to me are not even close to being contentious. It's not like Nickleback or James Blunt are being added to the Progressive Archives.hahaWink
I would say a more rewarding approach would be to open yourself to a band that have a long track record of ground breaking art and have elevated a form of music to a point where they set the bar for others to come.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 16:42
Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

I've said it once and I'll say it again. If Steely Dan are prog I'm a Dutchman.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 14:13
The guitar solos in Reelin' in the years are very well constructed and demostrates that Dennis Dias and Jeff Baxter have the guts!
 
Also the instrumental passages in Rikki Don't Lose that Number, and the vocal intonation are powerful and great.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 14:03
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I'm not a fan of Steely Dan at all, and am not familiar enough with all their output to comment - but that song certainly isn't Prog. It's foot-tapping, head-bobbing pop music.
 
Aaargh!!! The instrumental section is REALLY annoying! I hate those keyboard sounds and all the unrelated changes - there's no musical development, it's just a song written by people who have a lot of songwriting and performing experience with big studio production... I'm really not going to like anything else I hear by them, I can just tell!!


then I'm glad you'll be saving some money   ..what we don't like is surely as important as what we do, and our personal views of Prog/not Prog help to guide our musical journey and  to find what's really important to us

 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 09:16
I've said it once and I'll say it again. If Steely Dan are prog I'm a Dutchman.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 03:55
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I'm not a fan of Steely Dan at all, and am not familiar enough with all their output to comment - but that song certainly isn't Prog. It's foot-tapping, head-bobbing pop music.
 
Aaargh!!! The instrumental section is REALLY annoying! I hate those keyboard sounds and all the unrelated changes - there's no musical development, it's just a song written by people who have a lot of songwriting and performing experience with big studio production... I'm really not going to like anything else I hear by them, I can just tell!!


then I'm glad you'll be saving some money   ..what we don't like is surely as important as what we do, and our personal views of Prog/not Prog help to guide our musical journey and  to find what's really important to us

 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 03:27
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

have a listen to this cut micky posted in the SD appreciation thread, listen to those synth solos and sophisticated arrangements, and judge for yourself if it isn't as prog as prog as, say, Argent, Supertramp, or a cut like 'Lucky Man'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiRIE2irAgc


 
I'm not a fan of Steely Dan at all, and am not familiar enough with all their output to comment - but that song certainly isn't Prog. It's foot-tapping, head-bobbing pop music.
 
Aaargh!!! The instrumental section is REALLY annoying! I hate those keyboard sounds and all the unrelated changes - there's no musical development, it's just a song written by people who have a lot of songwriting and performing experience with big studio production... I'm really not going to like anything else I hear by them, I can just tell!!
 
I certainly would not compare it to the organic writing of Supertramp on songs such as "Crime of the Century"; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVPhVV1dYd0
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 03:02
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

These days I've given up on finding any new, real prog from this site. It's much more fun to see what bands get added, the ensuing controversy, and the reasons people come up with to rationalize the additions.


it is fun..  to bad you've given up on new, real prog from this site as that's 99% of what is added, day after day, week after week









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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 02:56
These days I've given up on finding any new, real prog from this site. It's much more fun to see what bands get added, the ensuing controversy, and the reasons people come up with to rationalize the additions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 02:04
I don't want to nit-pick but the likes of Walt Weiskopf, Michael Leonhart, Freddie Washington, Jim Pugh, Jon Herrington, Jeff Young Keith Carlock who tour with them and then the long list of musos who have recorded with them including Pete Christlieb, Cornelius Bumpus [ gotta love that name ], Ricky Lawson, and then people like Chuck Rainey, Steve Kahn, Steve Gadd, Dennis Chambers, Bernard Purdie, Michael and Randy Brecker, Don Grolnick, Victor Feldman, David Sanborn, Lee Ritenour, Larry Carlton , Joe Sample etc. etc. etc., last time I looked aren't that renowned for playing 'nit-picky' pop, and I believe that holds true as far as their association with STEELY DAN is concerned.

As always , it's a matter of opinion even if some opinions appear to be a little misguided on the subject.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2008 at 23:23
No. They are nit-picky pop.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2008 at 22:44
Originally posted by Hawkwise Hawkwise wrote:

elegant Art rock bands in the world?   But is it Prog ??


Well Art Rock, as well as being a sub-genre here at one stage (including King Crimson and i think Rush), is considered by most as a synonym for prog. So yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2008 at 22:06
things are starting to get a bit dangerous I`m gonna say nothing.  Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2008 at 21:51
well now, that's a conversation the members of this site - not to mention the Prog community - have been having for a long, long time.  I suggest you look at the many 'What is Prog?' threads here, as I can't really answer for you what Prog is    ..that said, did Steely Dan make progressive rock (i.e. Countdown to Ecstacy) ?  You bet you're sweet behind they did







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2008 at 21:44
elegant Art rock bands in the world?   But is it Prog ??
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