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I listen to more new music now in my late fifties than I ever did in my teens or twenties.

The amount of great stuff out there is truly remarkable.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Maybe instead of looking at it as dying, perhaps look at it as diversifying into many different niches.

In the old days record companies decided what would be presented to the public and put a lot of money into their projects. In some ways this yielded some excellent music but only within certain parameters.

Sure there are no new Beatles or Pink Floyd but there are thousands and thousands of newer artists making a living on their own terms.

As a voracious music consumer, i have to say that there has NEVER been so much music to experience from everywhere around the world.

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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

What this suggests to me is that the music industry is no longer focusing on new music. This makes it an order of magnitude more difficult for new bands and artists to succeed on the terms of successful artists of earlier generations (60s to 90s) - celebrity, fabulous wealth, being able to make a living out of being in a band, etc.

It's not the case, based on my observations, that this means new music is dying. I think it is actually flourishing, but outside the ecosystem of major labels and publishers. My tastes are fairly esoteric but I could easily name dozens of new or newish artists who are releasing superb music within the niches I follow, and I'm discovering new ones all the time. These people are releasing their music via Bandcamp and/or niche labels covering specialised interests. They are never going to get rich and famous by doing it - I think the days when someone like Frank Zappa would end up with a Rolls Royce and a mansion are definitively over - but they're doing what they love. And if you're not going to make much money regardless, there's little incentive to compromise your vision due to commercial considerations - you may as well follow your muse wherever it may take you.

Don't get me wrong, I would love it if more musicians - especially in the kind of marginal genres I follow - could live from their art. I suspect that where that is possible at all now it usually involves a frenetic lifestyle of juggling multiple projects, sessions, teaching. But the heartwarming thing is that this isn't stopping talented people making great new music. And the Internet is letting those people find an audience that transcends national barriers, even if it's rarely a large one.

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We’ll fight that battle and if all else fails, I’m going down with the ship!
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What this suggests to me is that the music industry is no longer focusing on new music. This makes it an order of magnitude more difficult for new bands and artists to succeed on the terms of successful artists of earlier generations (60s to 90s) - celebrity, fabulous wealth, being able to make a living out of being in a band, etc.

It's not the case, based on my observations, that this means new music is dying. I think it is actually flourishing, but outside the ecosystem of major labels and publishers. My tastes are fairly esoteric but I could easily name dozens of new or newish artists who are releasing superb music within the niches I follow, and I'm discovering new ones all the time. These people are releasing their music via Bandcamp and/or niche labels covering specialised interests. They are never going to get rich and famous by doing it - I think the days when someone like Frank Zappa would end up with a Rolls Royce and a mansion are definitively over - but they're doing what they love. And if you're not going to make much money regardless, there's little incentive to compromise your vision due to commercial considerations - you may as well follow your muse wherever it may take you.

Don't get me wrong, I would love it if more musicians - especially in the kind of marginal genres I follow - could live from their art. I suspect that where that is possible at all now it usually involves a frenetic lifestyle of juggling multiple projects, sessions, teaching. But the heartwarming thing is that this isn't stopping talented people making great new music. And the Internet is letting those people find an audience that transcends national barriers, even if it's rarely a large one.




Edited by Mascodagama - January 23 2022 at 14:05
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Maybe instead of looking at it as dying, perhaps look at it as diversifying into many different niches.

In the old days record companies decided what would be presented to the public and put a lot of money into their projects. In some ways this yielded some excellent music but only within certain parameters.

Sure there are no new Beatles or Pink Floyd but there are thousands and thousands of newer artists making a living on their own terms.

As a voracious music consumer, i have to say that there has NEVER been so much music to experience from everywhere around the world.

Perspective ;)

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Check out the entire article (I'm just pasting some of it)
https://tedgioia.substack.com/p/is-old-music-killing-new-music


All the growth in the market is coming from old songs. 200 most popular tracks now account for less than 5% of total streams.

Consider these other trends:

    The hottest area of investment in the music business is old songs—with investment firms getting into bidding wars to buy publishing catalogs from aging rock and pop stars.

    The song catalogs in most demand are by musicians in their 70s or 80s (Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Bruce Springsteen, etc.)—if not already dead (David Bowie, James Brown, etc.).  

    Even major record labels are participating in the shift, with Universal Music, Sony Music, Warner Music, and others buying up publishing catalogs—investing huge sums in old tunes that, in an earlier day, would have been used to launch new artists.

    The hottest technology in music is a format that is more than 70 years old, the vinyl LP. There’s no sign that the record labels are investing in a newer, better alternative—because, here too, old is viewed as superior to new.

    In fact, record labels—once a source of innovation in consumer products—don’t spend any money on research & development to revitalize their businesses, although every other industry looks to innovation for growth and consumer excitement.

    Record stores are caught up in the same time warp. In an earlier day, they aggressively marketed new music, but now they make more money from vinyl reissues and used LPs.

    Radio stations are contributing to the stagnation, putting fewer new songs into their rotation, or—judging by the offerings on my satellite radio lineup—completely ignoring new music in favor of old hits.

    When a new song overcomes these obstacles and actually becomes a hit, the risk of copyright lawsuits is greater than ever before. The risks have increased enormously since the “Blurred Lines” jury decision of 2015—with the result that additional cash gets transferred from today’s musicians to old (or deceased) artists.

    Adding to the nightmare, dead musicians are now coming back to life in virtual form—via holograms and deepfake music—making it all the harder for a young, living artist to compete in the marketplace.



I'd like to add that it's worse than the numbers show

Many older people don't use streaming to listen to music. I talk to a LOT of people (just like here), and many still play their records, and others I know took their CDs and burned/digitized them into mp3's (some flac) so they can move them wherever and never have to purchase them again.

Simple answer: 60/70s > last 40 years, and it's no contest....

People can accidentally come across any kind of music on YouTube, and even the young people aren't going to deprive themselves of pleasure, despite the dumb pejoratives, like calling a 22-yr old a "dinosaur" (which happened today)
https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition

https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List
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