Steve Wilson, recent interview...

Catcher10 wrote: dr wu23 wrote: Catcher10 wrote: dr wu23 wrote: 'Good pop' has been brought up several times in regards to Wilson's new lp.....so I'm curious as to what recent lp's in the last 2 or 3 years qualify as 'good pop'? And how many here think his new one is 'good pop' ,whatever that means?  It's a good question but you can't ask a prog website what is good pop!!  The better question is what pop albums are popular right now, cause I don't really know how to define "good" in music, with the Grammy's coming up soon there you will see what the industry considers "good" music. I could not see TFB being in this list of popular albums, as I have said many times I really don't think it is a pop album, maybe a couple songs if you stretch really hard, but it's more electronic alternative rock music. Is it prog music, not really but SW direction, like it or not is a progressive movement, away from his previous styles or writing (and playing). This album is really his closest to a true "solo" album, since he plays many of the instruments, Mike Oldfield comes to mind as well does Prince. Prince played almost all of the instruments on many of his albums but he's never been considered a true solo artist as there are songs that he used either other musicians or The Revolution to record. Well..I have no faith that the Grammy people would recognize 'good pop'. I think Zappa said once that most wouldn't know good rock music if it bit them in the ass.   I don't hear 'pop rock' either when listening to Wilson's new lp.  I don't listen to the current pop charts so I honestly have no idea what will even be nominated at the Grammy's. 98% hip-hop/rap music 2% country.......I'm sure I'm wrong but not by much

Edited by dr wu23 - March 08 2021 at 12:35

dr wu23 wrote: Catcher10 wrote: dr wu23 wrote: 'Good pop' has been brought up several times in regards to Wilson's new lp.....so I'm curious as to what recent lp's in the last 2 or 3 years qualify as 'good pop'? And how many here think his new one is 'good pop' ,whatever that means?  It's a good question but you can't ask a prog website what is good pop!!  The better question is what pop albums are popular right now, cause I don't really know how to define "good" in music, with the Grammy's coming up soon there you will see what the industry considers "good" music. I could not see TFB being in this list of popular albums, as I have said many times I really don't think it is a pop album, maybe a couple songs if you stretch really hard, but it's more electronic alternative rock music. Is it prog music, not really but SW direction, like it or not is a progressive movement, away from his previous styles or writing (and playing). This album is really his closest to a true "solo" album, since he plays many of the instruments, Mike Oldfield comes to mind as well does Prince. Prince played almost all of the instruments on many of his albums but he's never been considered a true solo artist as there are songs that he used either other musicians or The Revolution to record. Well..I have no faith that the Grammy people would recognize 'good pop'. I think Zappa said once that most wouldn't know good rock music if it bit them in the ass.   I don't hear 'pop rock' either when listening to Wilson's new lp.  I don't listen to the current pop charts so I honestly have no idea what will even be nominated at the Grammy's.

Edited by Catcher10 - March 08 2021 at 12:13

Spacegod87 wrote: SteveG wrote: Bullsh*t. You have no idea of what you're talking about. There's quite a lot of that in this thread, so you're going in good company. I'm getting tired of trying to defend Wilson in this thread, someone I personally don't care for, while listening to nonsense from daydreamers like you.  Tell me of all the artists you're familiar and worked with. I've recorded The Grateful Dead, CSNY, Blue Oyster Cult, Patti Smith, The Good Rats, Mink DeVille and many, many others. When you've had the same experience, then talk to me about artist's wives.  I don't like losing my temper like this but I've had quite enough with these types of posts. Btw, I didn't say that was a paramount reason for band tensions but, occasionally, one of them. Why are you getting so upset over this? I just said it was a bit much to blame wives for breaking up a band, that's all mate...whether you agree or not, there was no need to bite my head off like that. Kind of weird..

Edited by dougmcauliffe - March 08 2021 at 11:20

dr wu23 wrote: 'Good pop' has been brought up several times in regards to Wilson's new lp.....so I'm curious as to what recent lp's in the last 2 or 3 years qualify as 'good pop'? And how many here think his new one is 'good pop' ,whatever that means?

Blacksword wrote: I always felt him to be a bit of a bore and a bit up himself to be honest.

I always felt him to be a bit of a bore and a bit up himself to be honest.

Getting back to Wilson's interview, I disagree with his statement that he finds it incredulous that someone would listen to 3rd rate prog over 1st rate pop. If the pop music consists of artists like Pink and Lady Gaga, I would give both the prog and pop a pass.

Edited by SteveG - March 08 2021 at 08:28

Frenetic Zetetic wrote: SteveG wrote: Steven Wilson ruined prog. Nobody can ruin prog, but trust me I know exactly your sentiment here. Wilson continues to prove all my assumptions about his personality correct, without fail. His new music sucks and I think it's a perfect, and logical, reflection of his attitude TBQH.

I have no issue with Steven Wilson making the current music he is making and I have no issue with him liking ABBA because I happen to think ABBA was a great band too. Personally I like his new album. More a problem that I have with Steven Wilson is that an album like Hand. Cannot Erase. which is rated so highly here loses it's luster after several playings. Maybe that's just me because I've played Future Bites about 4 times and I'm still liking it very much. Very much a personal view not shared here. I prefer To The Bone to Hand. Cannot Erase. Also prefer the middle to late period of Porcupine Tree. Albums like In Absentia and Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream I can come back to several years later and they still sound fresh to me.

Someone doesn’t love genesis boohoohoo
They’re not in my top 5 either