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Snow Dog 
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 Posted: March 01 2011 at 05:21 |
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On plastic kits, you usually get the Hakenkreuze decals in two halfs. Some kits don't have them at all. Being a modeller, I want my model to be accurate. It doesn't show Nazism if I'm showing them. It's showing authenticity.
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Are the models you build from Germany, or is it because they are also sold in Germany?
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 05:11 |
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Geschwader = Squadron
Gruppenkommandeure = Group Commander (although more equivalent to a Squadron Leader)
Hakenkreuze = Swastika
Edited by James - March 01 2011 at 05:11
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 05:09 |
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Glaekelhaggenfaeger ?
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 05:05 |
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On plastic kits, you usually get the Hakenkreuze decals in two halfs. Some kits don't have them at all. Being a modeller, I want my model to be accurate. It doesn't show Nazism if I'm showing them. It's showing authenticity.
By the way, I even saw some original photographs during the war of a Luftwaffe Geschwader removing their Hakenkreuze due to their disagreement about the removal (by high command) of their Gruppenkommandeure because he was married to a Jewish woman.
There was also a pilot whose name was Adolf who hated Nazism so much, he asked everyone to call him Adam. Of course, he still fought for his country, as one did.
Edited by James - March 01 2011 at 05:07
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 05:03 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^ I know it is illegal there. That is my point. |
well it is for obvious and sensitive reasons isn't it???
I mean you Brutish will simply never let them forget it with those type of jokes.... so they're trying to make themselves forgotten because of that embarassing part of their heritage. |
If any one SHOULD be sensitive..it is the victims of Nazism...not those of the nation that used it and at one time worshipped Hitler. Embarassing? What a total under statement. |
One of many victims of Nazism are the few citizens that remain who lived under it, whether you were drafted into the army or had to suffer the dictatorship at home they were all victims of a terrible regime and it is a fair law that use of old Nazi propaganda is now illegal in Germany.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 04:58 |
James wrote:
They're not allowed to show the Hakenkreuze either, mind you.
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I know. Even video games have to be edited to remove them which is beyond ridiculous.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 04:57 |
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The only proper Nazi salute is with the middle finger.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 04:56 |
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They're not allowed to show the Hakenkreuze either, mind you.
Besides, if you're waving to someone and happen to stop your arm mid-wave, could that not kind of be deemed as inappropriate, even if it wasn't meant to be?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 04:52 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^ I know it is illegal there. That is my point. |
well it is for obvious and sensitive reasons isn't it???
I mean you Brutish will simply never let them forget it with those type of jokes.... so they're trying to make themselves forgotten because of that embarassing part of their heritage. |
If any one SHOULD be sensitive..it is the victims of Nazism...not those of the nation that used it and at one time worshipped Hitler. Embarassing? What a total under statement.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 04:48 |
Snow Dog wrote:
^ I know it is illegal there. That is my point. |
well it is for obvious and sensitive reasons isn't it???
I mean you Brutish will simply never let them forget it with those type of jokes.... so they're trying to make themselves forgotten because of that embarassing part of their heritage.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 04:42 |
Atavachron wrote:
Right, but laws and freedom of speech can coexist; if the Germans don't want people flashing Hitler salutes, that's their right to decide as a democracy. And I don't blame them one bit.
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I hate that law, but as you say...they do have a democracy. Ridiculous to arrest someone posing for a picture though and confiscate their memory stick. Theft.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 04:38 |
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Right, but laws and freedom of speech can coexist; if the Germans don't want people flashing Hitler salutes, that's their right to decide as a democracy. And I don't blame them one bit.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 04:34 |
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^ I know it is illegal there. That is my point.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 04:27 |
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Well it's illegal there, besides you can have both freedom of expression and strict laws-- and I suspect the evidence will show the Canadian man was not endorsing Naziism (unless of course he is a Nazi), and, the article claims, German law allows for the humorous or critical use of the salute. Besides he's not a German citizen, I don't think they'll keep him for long.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 04:19 |
Just have to love the freedom of speech and expression they have in Germany.
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