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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I never heard that Yes couldn't call themselves Cinema. I think it was more that they figured they could sell more by calling it Yes.

There's even a Wiki page for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_(band)

Quote Cinema were a short-lived progressive rock band started in January 1982 by former Yes members Alan White and Chris Squire, with guitarist Trevor Rabin.[1] The previous year, Squire and White had formed the abortive band XYZ with former Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page. Cinema had plans to release their debut album in 1983, and were working on a number of songs, most of which had been written by Rabin.

Later, these musicians were joined by keyboardist Tony Kaye and, eventually, Jon Anderson, both founding members of the then-disbanded Yes. They started recording the album 90125, but soon after this the band dropped the "Cinema" name, and continued as "Yes".

Over on Yes' page:

Quote At the suggestion of record company executives, Cinema then changed their name to Yes in June 1983. Rabin initially objected to this, as he now found that he had inadvertently joined a reunited band with a history and expectations, rather than help launch a new group.

I did hear before that there was also something to do with another existing band (not necessarily an American band) called Cinema, but the truth is there were multiple bands named Cinema, even one based in Johannesburg, South Africa, where Trevor hails from.

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

No, King Crimson in the 80's wasn't a retread of 70's prog it was a retread of the Talking Heads. LOL
 

However you want to label it, Discipline is one of the best albums of the '80s. Talking Heads never made anything that good. Wink
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So lot's of mixed signals about whether or not they were played on the radio before 1980(or at least how much). I guess maybe it depends on where you lived? Not sure but check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ


Edit: Ok, I see they were referring to Canada which is kind of strange considering they were from Canada. I wouldn't expect them to have less airplay in their home country than in the US but I guess that's how it was.

Well I am certain they were on the radio well before 1980. I grew up in SoCal and listening to KMET which was a huge player of prog and lesser known bands. SoCal was a radio market large enough to support Rush, Genesis and the like that was not common hard rock like Aerosmith, LZ, Journey.....So I think the city you might have been in could be a reason.
My family moved to New Orleans in 1980 and an eventual friend in my new neighborhood had all Rush albums on LP and cassette. Rush was pretty big in NO.......they were on the radio there too early on.

I've seen that YT before, but heck in the course of their career I still don't think they got massive airplay
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I still don't know how Peart had just two hands.

Or two feet.

Word....pretty crazy.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
 

I agree, with the exception of King Crimson. Robert Fripp wanted to do anything but a retread of the '70s. You may recall that '80s KC was initially a band called Discipline, kind of like Yes calling themselves Cinema before they found out they couldn't.

I love '80s KC. That said, Rush from Permanent Waves through Hold Your Fire certainly enjoyed more spin time. I couldn't begin to tell you how many hours of Rush I've heard in my lifetime.

I never heard that Yes couldn't call themselves Cinema. I think it was more that they figured they could sell more by calling it Yes.

No, King Crimson in the 80's wasn't a retread of 70's prog it was a retread of the Talking Heads. LOL
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
 

I agree, with the exception of King Crimson. Robert Fripp wanted to do anything but a retread of the '70s. You may recall that '80s KC was initially a band called Discipline, kind of like Yes calling themselves Cinema before they found out they couldn't.

I love '80s KC. That said, Rush from Permanent Waves through Hold Your Fire certainly enjoyed more spin time. I couldn't begin to tell you how many hours of Rush I've heard in my lifetime.
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^If they had continued in same kind of albums as "Hemispheres", I don´t believe they would have become as successful. "Permanent Waves" went into more pop direction, there really is something same as "the Police". So Rush did same thing as Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes and Pink Floyd (in the Gilmour revival), those all become more part of the eighties sound. Although I think Moving Pictures & Signals are better albums than those other bands eighties albums (Jethro´s A is also quite good, eighties sounding progalbum), King Crimson was the only prog band that could modernize it sound with dignity. But I am not saying all those bands albums that I mentioned were totally bad.


Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I am here to appreciate RUSH


 

That's awesome! Did you make that?


No i didn't! I just found it on the internets. So wickedly cool how could i not share it!

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Thye just seemed to become absolutely massive in the UK and Europe towards the end of the seventies. Not everyone was on board with punk. There was still plenty of room for a more cerebral and sophisticated approach to rock music. I remember Trees being played on the radio in 1978 and it stuck out like a sore thumb, but in a good way!
 

You just made me remember something: Back in the early 2000s, I remember talking with a girl from Quebec. She was really into punk, and she told me I'd be surprised how many punks like Rush!!

They are one of the very few bands who get labelled prog who have a big audience outside of prog. There are people into country and rap who like Rush also.
 

That's even weirder. LOL
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Thye just seemed to become absolutely massive in the UK and Europe towards the end of the seventies. Not everyone was on board with punk. There was still plenty of room for a more cerebral and sophisticated approach to rock music. I remember Trees being played on the radio in 1978 and it stuck out like a sore thumb, but in a good way!
 

You just made me remember something: Back in the early 2000s, I remember talking with a girl from Quebec. She was really into punk, and she told me I'd be surprised how many punks like Rush!!

They are one of the very few bands who get labelled prog who have a big audience outside of prog. There are people into country and rap who like Rush also.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Thye just seemed to become absolutely massive in the UK and Europe towards the end of the seventies. Not everyone was on board with punk. There was still plenty of room for a more cerebral and sophisticated approach to rock music. I remember Trees being played on the radio in 1978 and it stuck out like a sore thumb, but in a good way!
 

You just made me remember something: Back in the early 2000s, I remember talking with a girl from Quebec. She was really into punk, and she told me I'd be surprised how many punks like Rush!!
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I am here to appreciate RUSH


 

That's awesome! Did you make that?
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^If they had continued in same kind of albums as "Hemispheres", I don´t believe they would have become as successful. "Permanent Waves" went into more pop direction, there really is something same as "the Police". So Rush did same thing as Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes and Pink Floyd (in the Gilmour revival), those all become more part of the eighties sound. Although I think Moving Pictures & Signals are better albums than those other bands eighties albums (Jethro´s A is also quite good, eighties sounding progalbum), King Crimson was the only prog band that could modernize it sound with dignity. But I am not saying all those bands albums that I mentioned were totally bad.

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Thye just seemed to become absolutely massive in the UK and Europe towards the end of the seventies. Not everyone was on board with punk. There was still plenty of room for a more cerebral and sophisticated approach to rock music. I remember Trees being played on the radio in 1978 and it stuck out like a sore thumb, but in a good way!
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So lot's of mixed signals about whether or not they were played on the radio before 1980(or at least how much). I guess maybe it depends on where you lived? Not sure but check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ


Edit: Ok, I see they were referring to Canada which is kind of strange considering they were from Canada. I wouldn't expect them to have less airplay in their home country than in the US but I guess that's how it was.


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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So when did Rush start to headline shows and stop becoming a support act? Also, does anyone know if any Rush songs were played regularly on the radio(or at all for that matter)before the Permanent Waves album?

It depends what you mean by "headline shows". There are dates before the release of Rush debut where they played venues as the only act. Sure a lot of them were HS gyms and church basements, but all bands started this way.
I remember hearing Working Man but not knowing who the band was, and later on realizing it was Rush. Anthem and Fly By Night I also remembering hearing on KMET 94.7FM "The Mighty Met", in Los Angeles, KMET was a pioneer of playing progressive rock in LA, that's where I first heard Genesis also....This was around '76 I remember, that's about the time I started getting into Rush.

I was referring to headline shows as in a larger crowd(say over 200)not counting bars or small clubs and where they would have someone supporting them as opposed to the other way around. 

As for hearing fly by night and anthem did you hear them before or after 2112 was released? Just wondering. I remember reading in a rush biography(the red book if you remember that one)where the guy said they struggled to get on the radio in the early days.
There are many dates where they headlined before 2112, in small venues of 200+. Once 2112 and ATWAS were released they began more headline shows. The larger attendance shows were still as a support act with bands like Ted Nugent, BOC, Kiss and Aerosmith anywhere from 2k-18k seat venues. For the most part in those shows that usually included 3 acts, they were the support not the opening act and played an hour to 1.5 hr sets. Also understand at this time was their first trip outside NA, where they played Hammersmith Odeon as headliner.
What is super interesting to read are some of the reviews that basically slam the band as not being very good, being tooooooo loud but the common theme of Neil being the highlight of the band talent wise. And how when they toured the Maritimes they mentioned not wanting to go back because the crowds basically suxed there.

2112 came out in '76 and that is when I got into Rush, its tough to remember. My thought is I heard Anthem and Fly By Night before the Bicentennial year, which I remember that time vividly and again Working Man too but not knowing it was Rush.


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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

^I remember that "red" book. It's called Rush: Visions.

Rush indeed got off to a rocky start. Things changed when one day a deejay flipped the record and played the B-side, called "Working Man."

Yeah, that's the one. It was written by "the B Man" who apparently later had a falling out with the band unfortunately. 

Actually there was no record flipping involved. No, the story I heard was that Donna Halper who was the dj(and music director) at a rock station in Cleveland caled wmms was looking for a "bathroom song" and came across "working man" which was the longest track on the album. She played it and knew it would go down well in Cleveland which was very working class. This was documented in the Beyond the lighted stage dvd. Historically some djs have been known to flip records and have the b side become a "hit" but that wasn't the case here. While there were two singles released from that first album neither of those singles had "working man" as a b side so I'm not sure what you are referring to. Like I said it was an album track that was chosen as a bathroom break song because of it's length. Then people started calling in asking about the new Led Zeppelin song! Lol. Tongue
 

You are correct. But that is the song that got played, and it led to Rush getting a lot of airplay in that market as a result. Clap
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I still don't know how Peart had just two hands.

Or two feet.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

^I remember that "red" book. It's called Rush: Visions.

Rush indeed got off to a rocky start. Things changed when one day a deejay flipped the record and played the B-side, called "Working Man."

Yeah, that's the one. It was written by "the B Man" who apparently later had a falling out with the band unfortunately. 

Actually there was no record flipping involved. No, the story I heard was that Donna Halper who was the dj(and music director) at a rock station in Cleveland caled wmms was looking for a "bathroom song" and came across "working man" which was the longest track on the album. She played it and knew it would go down well in Cleveland which was very working class. This was documented in the Beyond the lighted stage dvd. Historically some djs have been known to flip records and have the b side become a "hit" but that wasn't the case here. While there were two singles released from that first album neither of those singles had "working man" as a b side so I'm not sure what you are referring to. Like I said it was an album track that was chosen as a bathroom break song because of it's length. Then people started calling in asking about the new Led Zeppelin song! Lol. Tongue


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^I remember that "red" book. It's called Rush: Visions.

Rush indeed got off to a rocky start. Things changed when one day a deejay flipped the record and played the B-side, called "Working Man."
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