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JJLehto 
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 Posted: May 01 2015 at 18:19 |
As per tradition, a Pats fan must start the 2015 thread and I think it's finally time.
Until he does, I'll keep it here. I don't follow college players but in terms of position, the Giants first two picks were deff good ones: O lineman and safety. Very big needs we had, and nearly everyone seems to have been praising the pick of Flowers, and they just traded up to take a safety, Collins, from Alabama.
We shall see, but Flowers is a big dude, maybe it'll help our anemic running game, and I always trust a defensive player from Bama. Good job so far Giants!  Let's hope it continues, this draft has been called a make or break one for Reese, who I still think gets way too much flak, but yeah good stuff so far from Big Blue.
Hopefully he will make everyone quickly forget about that bum ass Rolle
Edited by JJLehto - May 01 2015 at 18:21
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Posted: February 03 2015 at 11:54 |
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Fair enough. But you've got to at least try to punch it in first. And it was a killer heads up play by the DB.
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Posted: February 03 2015 at 11:50 |
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Lynch has had 5 runs from the one this season and got in once, there have been 109 passes from the one this season with one intercepted. Not that much of a stretch to call a pass. It was poorly executed an the DB made a great play, that is all. Personally I would have run - pass - pass on that sequence.
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*frinspar*
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Posted: February 03 2015 at 11:46 |
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Plain and simple, it was hubris that called that play. Considering they want to pay Lynch even more money and keep him for the long haul, that would've been the perfect time to let him prove his worth and for the team to prove their faith in his ability. But they got cocky and wanted to end it with a flash, and it bit them in the ass.
But for me, since I had no dog in that fight, I got a great finish either way that could've gone. I got home just in time to see the last 2 minutes of the first half, luckily missing the boring first part of it. Boy, what a game, especially after last year's utter snoozefest that was over on the first play of the game.
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Padraic
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Posted: February 03 2015 at 11:35 |
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I wouldn't mind a rematch next year.
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timothy leary
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Posted: February 03 2015 at 11:20 |
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^yes they will
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MillsLayne
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 23:07 |
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^Maybe so. Either way, they lost, and it sucks.
But, hearing from a lot of people that they want someone fired is just plain idiotic. Calm down. They'll be fine.
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 22:04 |
Listen to what Butler said right after the game.....He saw the play coming, he read it in Wilson's eyes. He saw the stack and knew it was a pick play, he played it perfectly, sat back and did not bite on the first receiver but focused on the stacked receiver. Sure it was a great defensive play and he stole the ball from Lockette......Spin it how you want, a pass play on the 1 yard line by the Seahawks was a horrible call, period. That is NOT what got them to the Super Bowl, Lynch got them to the game.......100 million people watching the game knew Lynch was gonna get the ball. Nothing I have heard from Seattle coaches makes any sense, this was not game 7 of the regular season.....People, it was the Super Bowl, 24 seconds left to score the winning TD with 3 tries and 1 yd to go and shut the door on Brady. Anything but a pass, play action and Wilson could run it......Give it to Lynch 3yrds deep and let him gain speed and nobody stops him. If you have ever coached at a competitive level, then you know rule number 1 is.....Don't deviate from what got you to the big game.... Pete should just come out and say....."guys I screwed up, I should have given the ball to Lynch"
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Padraic
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 21:40 |
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It's the NFL. sh*t happens.
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JJLehto
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 21:25 |
Can try to justify it all we want but seriously...be realistic, what on Earth were they thinking? I don't have any conspiracies or anything, that is stupid, almost as stupid as calling a pass play on the 2 yard line with the SB on the line and Lynch as a running back.  Ya know, like how in every normal game you'd run it for the easy in, eat up time, only go for a risky pass when you need...guess the biggest game there is doesn't require sanity!
And we all know Carroll has done brilliantly, doesn't make the OC immune from stupid assity. And not saying fire the guy, but sorry....one very dumb call very likely cost your team the SB, this can't go quietly into the night.
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MillsLayne
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 17:24 |
 micky wrote:
that said.. the aftermath has been as much fun as the game. Conspricy
theories...Wilson throwing the winner over Lynch running it in.. tieing
into .. what some consider the ultimate display of Pete Caroll's ego
and arrogance that it would he HIS player.. that would win the game.
Good times...
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Everyone's rage over Pete Carroll needs to stop, too. The dude already got them a Lombardi and he's helped to set them up for a few years.
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micky
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 17:10 |
ehhh... it was just a great play by the defender.. that would have been a touchdown unless the defender didn't make a great play.. which could have happened no matter what the Seahawks called. I don't think time will treat the decision as harshly as some think... it wasn't Ernest Byner or crap like that..it was a good throw.. it was a touchdown .. if not for a great play by the defender.. same could have happened in the run. About as much chance to fumble as throwing a pick.  that said.. the aftermath has been as much fun as the game. Conspricy
theories...Wilson throwing the winner over Lynch running it in.. tieing
into .. what some consider the ultimate display of Pete Caroll's ego
and arrogance that it would he HIS player.. that would win the game.
Good times...
Edited by micky - February 02 2015 at 17:11
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 17:03 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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MillsLayne
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 16:59 |
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After having some time to think about it, passing on 2nd down makes sense. They had one timeout left, and if Lynch somehow fails to get into the endzone on 2nd and 3rd down, the game is over. So, they were banking on the pass on 2nd down being either be a touchdown or incomplete, giving them two more downs to try and run it in. Unfortunately, that was a horrible pass play to call. Corner of the endzone or towards the sidelines would've made more sense.
Then again, had the play resulted in a touchdown, we'd all be talking about how bold the call was and how Pete Carroll is a genius (I still think he's an excellent coach).
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timothy leary
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 09:54 |
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Padraic
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 09:30 |
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I won't defend the indefensible, but the kid did make a hell of a play.
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 09:10 |
The OC explanation that he was worried about the game clock makes no sense. So you are gonna tell me in 26 seconds you lost all faith in your defense, that is the best in the NFL, that they cannot stop Brady from getting close enough for a game tying FG??? Really!!?? I have no problem with taking 5-6 seconds off by having Wilson drop back in the pocket, scramble a bit and then throw the ball into the endzone stands, that kills the clock, saves their timeouts and still have 2 shots at giving the ball to Lynch to get a 1/2 yd.... As a coach your game plan is always "go with what got you there"......Epic failure Seattle.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: February 02 2015 at 08:46 |
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Horrible way to lose a game though the Seahawks have been riding their luck a bit this season. RUN THE DAMN BALL!!
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Ian
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JJLehto
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Posted: February 01 2015 at 23:29 |
Well...whoever made that play call for the Seahawks pretty much cost their team the Super Bowl
That was truly one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in my life. I know Pete said it was his doing but who really knows..could've been the OC and he's covering. Either way: Whoever called that pass is an idiot.
What a sh*t ending to a pretty fun game imo That said was a good game, was as tight as we expected and either deserved to win. I guess in a way I'm happy NE won just to farther prove only the Giants can beat em
Congrats to the Pats, their 4th SB and Brady's 3rd MVP. 3 was elite territory but 4? Plus the two close others, regardless of how you feel (and its known I hate em) This New England Patriots team has to go down as one of the best.
Onto next year boys!
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Posted: February 01 2015 at 23:00 |
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Great game.....I knew if it remained close Pats would win, but not win on a bone head call like that. Worst call in SB history by coaching staff....Sorry no excuse from Pete will work, 3 chances to get 2yds.....wow
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