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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2014 at 08:01
Hi,
 
Ohhh damn!
 
Iron Butterfly is missing!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2014 at 07:52
Some (psychedelic rock?) highlights of '66:

East-West (13:18) 1966 The Paul Butterfield Blues Band “East-West”

And I like it (10:36) recorded 1966 / released ? Jefferson Airplane

Smokestack Lightning (10:52) 4 Sep live (Wolfgang’s Vault) 1966 Quicksilver Messenger Blues

The Same Thing (11:13) 19 Nov 1966 Grateful Dead live at Fillmore Auditorium

In the Midnight Hour (18:57) 19 Nov 1966 Grateful Dead live at Fillmore Auditorium

Eight Miles High                Jan/March '66                     Byrds           

Rain                                    April/June '66                     Beatles                                

Doctor Robert                    April/Aug '66                      Beatles                               

 Break on Through (To…)   Aug '66/Jan '67                   Doors                                 

 Light My Fire                     Aug '66/Jan '67                   Doors                                 

 Cobwebs and Strange        Oct/Dec '66                        Who                                   

 Third Stone from the Sun   Oct '66/May '67                  The Jimi Hendrix Exp       

 White Rabbit                                              Nov '66/Feb '67                Jefferson Airplane             

 C.T.A. – 102                       Dec '66/Feb '67                   Byrds                                 

 2-4-2 Fox Trot (The Lear Jet Song)                                                     Byrds (May/July '66)

Seven & Seven Is                                                                                Love (?/June '66)

Psychotic Reaction                                                                              The Count Five (?/June '66)

Bad Little Woman                                                         Shadows Of Knight (?/July '66)

I Had Too Much to Dream (Last Night)                       The Electric Prunes (?/Nov '66)

Blues' Theme                                                                  Davie Allen & The Arrows (?/Dec '66)

Strawberry Fields Forever                                                                   Beatles (Nov-Dec '66/Feb '67)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2014 at 10:57
Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:


Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:





Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

(...)I'm curious what the year 1966 put out as far as innovative rock.  

I'd like to recommend East West as an 13-minute long instruemental track released in 1966 (at same titled album) as truly innovative as well. Unbelievable Mike Bloomfield's guitar work. Nobody was recorded something like that before. It was recorded at one live studio session and even today it doesn't sound dated.
This came as surprise for 1966. I am thinking Donovan might be one of the most prog artists in 1966.  Listening to the first three songs on Sunrise Superman from 1966.  The 3rd song is a lot like very early Crimson.


I agreed for Donovan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2014 at 10:47
Electric Flag ..1966...recorded music for a film titled "The Trip". It was a collage of everything from electronic experiments to Dixieland. and merry-go-round music to hard soul jamming.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2014 at 08:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2014 at 22:00
The Beatles "Revolver" came out in August 1966, whereas Donovan's "Sunshine Superman" came
out in September 1966.  Both of them sound amazingly different than regular rock albums, much
more "intelligent" musically, with many world music influences, and even classical, such as
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2014 at 21:42
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

And also Buffalo Springfield's "Broken Arrow" from Buffalo Springfield Again.

A great song for American ProtoProg but it came in October 1967.  

I think a lot of Prog's influence came from a more rock version of what was already
happening in things like soundtrack music, Herb Alpert, and Brian Wilson's influence:
Phil Specter.  I still say, as much as it sounds funny, Donovan's Sunshine Superman
is probably the most ProtoProg thing happening, even if I probably won't like a lot of it.
It's combining classical instrumentation with rock, as well as exotic instruments, and
odd, very slow meters  He even has that "royal court" imagery that Genesis would
later revel in.  I imagine there might have been a lot of "droopy" folk 
going around that might have influenced Donovan, maybe some "Beat" 
culture music.  That's an interesting topic (!): what was the most progressive folk 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2014 at 18:21
Back in the day the first 2 Moody Blues and the first 2 Procol Harum lp's all had that proto prog thing going on...as well as the first Family lp...and Touch was one of my favorites also.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2014 at 11:13
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Yeah, I think Zappa is on the site for music he recorded much later. Just noticed that The Moody Blues' first LP came out in 1966 too, but I haven't heard it so...

The Moody's first album (1965) featured Denny Laine (later of Paul McCartney's Wings). It was more R&B/pop than anything. Their big hit on their first release was "Go Now". It wasn't until Laine left and Justin Hayward and John Lodge joined the band that they eventually dropped their previous sound, got an offer by their label to do a rock version of Dvořák's New World Symphony (as a demo for Decca's new "Deramic stereo sound"). The Moodys decided to do their own thing instead, and the rest is prog history.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2014 at 15:23
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Listen to The United States of America (the band and the name of their single album). 




That's what came to my mind as well. Such a great and adventerous album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2014 at 15:19
Yes, I second most suggestions made here above.
Last days I listened to Country Joe MacDonald's Electric Music For The Mind And Body, which has some protoproggish elements, as in the instrumental "Section 43".
And also Buffalo Springfield's "Broken Arrow" from Buffalo Springfield Again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2014 at 14:21
Yeah, I think Zappa is on the site for music he recorded much later. Just noticed that The Moody Blues' first LP came out in 1966 too, but I haven't heard it so...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2014 at 21:36
About the only band doing anything interesting on a consistent level before '67 were the Beatles when Revolver came out......and Rubber Soul before that.
Freak Out '66 and Absoutely Free '67 by Zappa as some one mentioned above but they didn't sound like 'proto prog' to my ears. Floyd came out with their first in '67 also....The Doors '67........The Airplane '67.......
Someone mentioned Donovan but he never sounded proggy to me but folky psych rock but I can see how that might sound like proto prog. .There were many pysch rock and proto prog bands in 67 - 69.... including some one hit wonders and one LP bands. I have a lot of those early psych bands on cd .
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2014 at 04:28
The Mothers of Invention's first three LPs are mandatory too, being instrumental in kicking off a wave of experimentation within rock music just through "cultural osmosis" despite not being "progressive rock" in the British sense. It was Freak Out! that inspired The Beatles to think further outside the box, even though Zappa himself didn't think highly of them, which in turn spurred on much of the initial UK prog scene. Can't remember if that album was 1966 or 1967.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 21:12
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

(...)

I'm curious what the year 1966 put out as far as innovative rock.  

I'd like to recommend East West as an 13-minute long instruemental track released in 1966 (at same titled album) as truly innovative as well. Unbelievable Mike Bloomfield's guitar work. Nobody was recorded something like that before. It was recorded at one live studio session and even today it doesn't sound dated.

This came as a surprise for 1966.  

I am thinking Donovan might be one of the most prog artists in 1966.  Listening to the first three songs
on Sunrise Superman from 1966.  The 3rd song is a lot like very early Crimson. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 21:04
I believe 1967 was the year Proto-Prog broke out.  That's why I am interested in 1966 or earlier.
Definitely, Brian Wilson was a good call. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 12:44
The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, 1968

Group 1850 - Agemo's Trip to Mother Earth, 1968


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 12:43
The legend says that the Doors heard this song by Kim Fowley - "one of the most colourful characters in rock 'n' roll" - on a jukebox, and then ... you know the story.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 10:02
Listen to The United States of America (the band and the name of their single album). 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 09:55
Family-Music In A Doll's House. It was released in 1968.
The Beach Boys-Smile was about experimentation. Phase shifting vocal harmonies , chanting, sound effects and combine this with the influence of J.S.Bach and you have a very odd sound. The Beach Boys vocally, keep their distinctive sound , but unlike any vocal style they harmonized in prior to Smile. It's so "off beat" for 67' and so ahead of it's time and 3 of the instrumental pieces are in the vain of the early Residents albums. Sections of Mark of the Mole and Not Available perhaps. It's a very strange connection..but it's obvious to hear. Especially in the "Fire tapes".

Jefferson Airplane's Crown of Creation is the Airplane album I must single out as being the most influential to Space Rock. Piper At the Gates of Dawn featured the instrumental "Interstellar Overdrive" which may have been the first attempt at completeness in Space Rock. Crown of Creation tends to create atmospheric sounds that later turned up in the music of Gong, Hawkwind, Guru, Guru and Amon Duul II. It was a different influence entirely to Space Rock than Piper...although "Lather" is quite like a Syd Barrett composition and take notice sometime. Imagine Syd Barrett singing "Lather" and it all falls into place. However...Syd Barrett listened to Jefferson Airplane and the developing stages of this type of experimentation can't be pin pointed and historically documented exacting without having the answers to certain important questions. It's never discussed that deeply on any of the Pink Floyd documentaries and hardly mentioned in the films on the late 60's. Ron Geesin would probably know the answers and point me in the right direction. Some people assume that because everything was bursting out in the 60's scene at rapid speed...that the confused event itself holds the explanation as to why credit to an artist can not be given and that the observation of changing music cannot be credited to that artist until several people from that period are interviewed to confirm it. That's a lie.

Beaver & Krause's In A Wild Sanctuary was very groundbreaking and influential.
 
 
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