Lazy vs Since I've been loving you

Dellinger wrote: Finnforest wrote: TODDLER wrote: Guitarists who find Page laughable...later discover that his songs require precision and are technical in some cases. They are baffled and ask..."How can he get away with being sloppy?" Because he's Jimmy Page. Because he can. What else can you say really? I hear you Toddler.  I've heard it for years, how much better Blackmore/Beck/Clapton/Satriani are than Jimmy Page, he is called sloppy, stumblefingers, etc.  And yet I'd rather listen to him play any day of the week over the others because his playing moves me, much more than those technical geniuses.  That's the bottom line...does the playing move you emotionally.  If it does, who cares about prowess?Same with Garcia.  He'll never be mentioned in the same breath as those technical monsters and yet his playing is somehow very special.  It has space, it breathes, and it is very patient.  And what about Gilmour? There's just something on his playing, which sholdn't be too difficult for more technical guitar players to emulate. However, I have not heard any other player get that kind of emotion out of a guitar.

Dellinger wrote: Finnforest wrote: TODDLER wrote: Guitarists who find Page laughable...later discover that his songs require precision and are technical in some cases. They are baffled and ask..."How can he get away with being sloppy?" Because he's Jimmy Page. Because he can. What else can you say really? I hear you Toddler.  I've heard it for years, how much better Blackmore/Beck/Clapton/Satriani are than Jimmy Page, he is called sloppy, stumblefingers, etc.  And yet I'd rather listen to him play any day of the week over the others because his playing moves me, much more than those technical geniuses.  That's the bottom line...does the playing move you emotionally.  If it does, who cares about prowess?Same with Garcia.  He'll never be mentioned in the same breath as those technical monsters and yet his playing is somehow very special.  It has space, it breathes, and it is very patient.  And what about Gilmour? There's just something on his playing, which sholdn't be too difficult for more technical guitar players to emulate. However, I have not heard any other player get that kind of emotion out of a guitar.

The only one that comes close to that style is Steve Rothery from Marillion.

Finnforest wrote: TODDLER wrote: Guitarists who find Page laughable...later discover that his songs require precision and are technical in some cases. They are baffled and ask..."How can he get away with being sloppy?" Because he's Jimmy Page. Because he can. What else can you say really? I hear you Toddler.  I've heard it for years, how much better Blackmore/Beck/Clapton/Satriani are than Jimmy Page, he is called sloppy, stumblefingers, etc.  And yet I'd rather listen to him play any day of the week over the others because his playing moves me, much more than those technical geniuses.  That's the bottom line...does the playing move you emotionally.  If it does, who cares about prowess?Same with Garcia.  He'll never be mentioned in the same breath as those technical monsters and yet his playing is somehow very special.  It has space, it breathes, and it is very patient.

And what about Gilmour? There's just something on his playing, which sholdn't be too difficult for more technical guitar players to emulate. However, I have not heard any other player get that kind of emotion out of a guitar.

just stay in bed

Finnforest wrote: ^ As well he should be...I almost cringe now when I hear Smoke on the Water....that was the big finale of the DVD i mention below, and it's just so unremarkable.

Finnforest wrote: Zep here too, I love that song.  We just watched the '84 Purple dvd.  And while the band were in fine form, we both felt very strongly their material isn't even close to the level of Zeppelin generally.  When I told the wife that many people consider Blackmore superior to Page, she just laughed.  Basically telling me, that just you guys who worry about technical precision and fireworks....to her the emotion and melody of Page's leads are something Blackmore doesn't have.    I agree with the statement that some people worry too much about precision, but as a active guitarist ...I must render that when playing Page's solos..frustration comes to mind. Obviously Page brings out a lot of emotional feelings in people with his soloing, but sometimes as a guitarist you're being asked to emulate his reflections which is playing incorrectly regarding the sloppy note passages. I like his solos...but the majority of the world is not willing to accept that he is playing poorly according to a professional point of reference from a musician...which...is disrespectful and sometimes disregarded in an ignorant way. It's a very delicate situation because his sloppiness is appealing yet....difficult to not think of as pathetic in some cases when you are experienced on guitar. On "Heartbreaker" he plays many notes which are choppy sounding along with open strings ringing out like a drone tone which is precisely what a good teacher would stop you from doing. In that sense...it is ironic..but I do get it! Page was Jeff Beck's guitar instructor and I respect Page for what he is playing more than how he sounds when he plays it.   This is insight on the beef between Page and thousands of professional guitarists over the last 40 years. I'm sorry to go on like this..but for decades..there has been a whole world of great guitarists who have respect for Page, but are baffled by his lack of effort/determination in playing clean ..while another entire world of people who may not be musicians love Page for what he is and ask the same question over and over to professional players...."How on earth can you say that Page is sloppy?"  Don't get me wrong....I especially love Page on The Yardbirds live at Anderson Theatre. It's a complicated situation where musicians who pull off his solos in a club. get a supportive response, must keep their opinons quiet when asked what they think of him.  Overstatement perhaps but I feel much the same.  DP are decent but no LZ.  Not at the kit, not at bass and not at guitar.  DP has the organ which is a tick in their favor.  Voice is a draw.

About the bands Zep and DP, I do like better Led Zeppelin, specially they have more songs that I really love a lot... but then again, I have known them for much longer and have all their studio albums, while I have just started getting into Deep Purple. As guitar players, I suppose I like Page a bit better than Blackmore... I guess he has kind of a wider pallette of sounds. Still, if I include what I know from Rainbow together with DP, I guess the amount of songs I love gets a bit more even.

I've heard Blackmore bashing Deep Purple for a long time, does it mean he's right? who cares?
Honestly I like Uriah Heep too but they are not in the same league, but that's only my opinion.

Blackmore had stated long ago that he wished Deep Purple could write songs as good as Uriah Heep. He also liked Jethro Tull and attended their shows whenever possible. He would sit in the front row trying to be discreet and Ian Anderson would leap off the stage into Blackmore's lap just to bust his stones.....I believe Blackmore's attraction to both bands was of course a personal liking...however...I believe that Blackmore also wished that his band, Deep Purple, could turn out songs just as good and apart from Machine Head and some tracks on In Rock, that never materialized in the real world. I remember when he was asked why he was leaving the band and he replied ...."What's the point?" Led Zeppelin sold more than us"....which makes me laugh due to the fact that it's an excuse you might hear from a ten year old child...but again..there is undertone to all of his statements in the 70's indicating that he was unhappy about the songwriting in Deep Purple.

Zep here too, I love that song. 

We just watched the '84 Purple dvd.  And while the band were in fine form, we both felt very strongly their material isn't even close to the level of Zeppelin generally.  When I told the wife that many people consider Blackmore superior to Page, she just laughed.  Basically telling me, that just you guys who worry about technical precision and fireworks....to her the emotion and melody of Page's leads are something Blackmore doesn't have. 

Overstatement perhaps but I feel much the same.  DP are decent but no LZ.  Not at the kit, not at bass and not at guitar.  DP has the organ which is a tick in their favor.  Voice is a draw.