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Points: 5154 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2011 at 03:50
Originally posted by mikehunt42 mikehunt42 wrote:

So, guidance would be gratefully received, along with any music sites which could push these great sounds into my conscience so I don't need to rely on good luck to know that the spirit of great music survives despite the omnipotence of BBC radio 1 (or Radio DJ in my adopted Italy) 
Thanks in advance, Michael
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Within my limited knowledge, the two recent albums which sound most like Yes are Glass Hammer's If and Wobbler's Rites At Dawn, any fan of old Yes should love these unless he/she's the kind of person who dismisses them as being just clones. Both are excellent in my opinion and I don't mind the obvious replication of the Yes sound. Wobbler's RAD sounds more like period Close To The Edge / Fragile / Relayer while Glass Hammer's If sounds more modern.
 
Another album which sounds quite similar to Yes (but different at the same time) is Cathedral's Stained Glass Stories although since it's quite old and was a sole album (except for the much later reunion album) they can not be considered "successors".
 
Magnification was a better album than Fly From Here IMO.
 
 
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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2011 at 01:47
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

Calling any of those bands Yes clones is quite disrespecful of what they have accomplished, not to mention in most of the cases cited highly inaccurate.


Not calling all the bands I mention Clones, apart from Starcastle, Exodus, partially Cathedral and maybe one more, the rest are only highly influenced bands.

Saying Glass Hammer or Mutantes are clones, would be absurd, but both have a clear Yes sound and influence.

Cheers

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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Never argue with a lawyer.

The problem is not the discussion, everybody is entitled to their opinions, CCVP used emoticons implying what I said is absurd, but he gave no arguments at all.

 
lol, I was just fooling because I have lawyer friends. LOL

I'm more careful, I only have a couple lawyer friends . LOL

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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Never argue with a lawyer.

The problem is not the discussion, everybody is entitled to their opinions, CCVP used emoticons implying what I said is absurd, but he gave no arguments at all.

 
lol, I was just fooling because I have lawyer friends. LOL
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Never argue with a lawyer.

The problem is not the discussion, everybody is entitled to their opinions, CCVP used emoticons implying what I said is absurd, but he gave no arguments at all, I am very careful with what I say

As a fact, the own members of Mutantes admit a STRONG  Yes influence:

Quote  From the Jardim Eletrico on, they began to get a little more "progressive" (I spoke with both Sergio and Arnaldo in 1993 and they admitted lots of influence from Yes  at that time), not losing their anarchic spirit, almost always well-humoured. After the release of Mutantes e seus Cometas no Pais do Bauretz, in 1972, Rita Lee left the group. Then, the band records the album "O A e o Z", which their label considered too much uncommercial for the time. It was finally released in 1992, when they begun to edit the band's work on CD. O A e o Z is such a Yes-like, acid-oriented album, very good but a little different from the first albums. Then, after this recording, there was a general split, and Sergio Dias re-organized the band, with other components, and recorded an album called Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol in 1974. Now this is a *very* good album, in the "traditional" progressive style, yet a little Yes-oriented, with very good instrumentation, although yet a little far from the initial band's sound, which cannot be labeled. I recommend Mutantes andMutantes e seus Cometas no Pais do Bauretz for a first-time listen). -- Gabriel Costa

CCVP I don't use emoticons to imply other members say absurd things, I use quotes and arguments to support what I say....In this case according to Gabriel Costa in http://www.gepr.net/mofram.html two members of the band admit the Yes influence........Apart from my opinion, I tend to believe what they say being who they are .

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Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:


As a long time Yes fan too, I've noticed that there are far, far fewer bands that have sounds in the Yes vein as opposed to bands who have emulated the classic Genesis style. A tribute I think to how talented Yes were at their peak.

A band has fewer clones or followers not because more talented, but because they caused a lesser impact.

I'm sure that Yes is among the most respected bands in UK and USA, but in other countries Genesis is far more accepted, and don't tell me that songs like Fountain of Salmacis, Supper's Ready ( with so many different changes and moods), Can Utility and the Coastliners ,etc are easier music.

In Italy and Sweden for example, Genesis had far more impact, in Germany and Japan, ELP had more followers because they caused a greater impact.

Now Yes had hundreds of followers and clones like 

  1. Starcastle, 
  2. Abbhama (Indonesia), 
  3. Druid, 
  4. Welcome (Switzerland), 
  5. Atlantide (France)
  6. Saens (France)
  7. Glass Hammer
  8. Flower Kings
  9. Lift (USA)
  10. Cathedral
  11. Cherry Five
  12. Exodus (Known as the Polish Yes)
  13. Blue Shift
  14. Flash
  15. Relayer
  16. Banzai
  17. Legacy
  18. Alaska
  19. Mutantes
  20. Big Picture
Just to mention a few

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Never said Mutantes were clones, some of this bands are clones, others followed the lead of Yes.

Mutantes are influenced by Yes as Flower Kings or Glass Hammer IMO, and I don't have a problem to say a band is a clone IMO, as I always said about Starcastle.




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Originally posted by mikehunt42 mikehunt42 wrote:

Guys,
All praise to the encyclopaedic knowledge and musical insight of the majority of contributions to this thread. I've just fallen across this site and thread by accident while researching Yes European tour dates this autumn and delighted to hear that  more than 40 years after I first discovered that magical sound of Yes in the early days of "Harold Land" the spirit lives on. Intrtigued by your debates, I'm really  inspired to rekindle my love for this genre of music, and given there isn't going to be another "Yours is no disgrace", Roundabout", or "Heart of the Sunrise" any time soon from my chronological peers, which contempories should I be following? TFK look like the popular choice, but which album?(6 listed on my fav download site). Along with my long-time  heros (Yes), I've always held a soft spot for the classical inspiration of Godfrey's Enid, while Gentle Giant's jazz-infused innovations and Genesis/'Banks  majesterial chord progressions never failed to lift the hairs on my spine. More recently, Gazpacho's Atropos also touched an evocative nerve after a lenghty familairisation period (about 4 weeks of repetetive dosage). So, guidance would be gratefully received, along with any music sites which could push these great sounds into my conscience so I don't need to rely on good luck to know that the spirit of great music survives despite the omnipotence of BBC radio 1 (or Radio DJ in my adopted Italy) 
Thanks in advance, Michael

Welcome aboard, Michael!!  The search for "another Yes" has consumed my life since, oh, 1973 or so... I very much enjoyed Flash and Starcastle as being more than copycat clones, please give them a listen.  Their early albums tend to be better than later efforts.

A band with a Yes-flavor would tend to have the following elements:

a) lead vocalist who sings in contra-tenor vocal range, rather rare.  

b) bandmates who can sing harmony in contra-tenor/tenor/falsetto/baritone ranges, while playing their instruments....extremely rare! 

c) musical virtuosity throughout, see above.  

d) emphasis upon keyboards, driving bass (helps if it is a Rickenbacker) and speed/coordination. 

A rare mix of talents!  Many have tried....I've written my own embarrassing "Yes clone" music, it's fun as hell and gives a person a real appreciation for the talent level in that band!! 

The version of "Siberian Khatru" by tribute studio band Stanley Snail is one of my own personal Yes "clones" (Mike Keneally on guitar AND vocals is just amazing!!)  Seek that out, the YouTube posting was removed.  Darn it! 
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Calling any of those bands Yes clones is quite disrespecful of what they have accomplished, not to mention in most of the cases cited highly inaccurate.
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Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:


As a long time Yes fan too, I've noticed that there are far, far fewer bands that have sounds in the Yes vein as opposed to bands who have emulated the classic Genesis style. A tribute I think to how talented Yes were at their peak.

A band has fewer clones or followers not because more talented, but because they caused a lesser impact.

I'm sure that Yes is among the most respected bands in UK and USA, but in other countries Genesis is far more accepted, and don't tell me that songs like Fountain of Salmacis, Supper's Ready ( with so many different changes and moods), Can Utility and the Coastliners ,etc are easier music.

In Italy and Sweden for example, Genesis had far more impact, in Germany and Japan, ELP had more followers because they caused a greater impact.

Now Yes had hundreds of followers and clones like 

  1. Starcastle, 
  2. Abbhama (Indonesia), 
  3. Druid, 
  4. Welcome (Switzerland), 
  5. Atlantide (France)
  6. Saens (France)
  7. Glass Hammer
  8. Flower Kings
  9. Lift (USA)
  10. Cathedral
  11. Cherry Five
  12. Exodus (Known as the Polish Yes)
  13. Blue Shift
  14. Flash
  15. Relayer
  16. Banzai
  17. Legacy
  18. Alaska
  19. Mutantes
  20. Big Picture
Just to mention a few

Iván



Do you really wanna go there Iván? I mean, really man . . . . Ermm Nuke Head on wall

What, Os Mutantes AeoZ sounds quite a bit like Yes, though a hell of a lot better.


Only one album don't make Os Mutantes an Yes clone!
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Originally posted by mikehunt42 mikehunt42 wrote:

Guys,
All praise to the encyclopaedic knowledge and musical insight of the majority of contributions to this thread. I've just fallen across this site and thread by accident while researching Yes European tour dates this autumn and delighted to hear that  more than 40 years after I first discovered that magical sound of Yes in the early days of "Harold Land" the spirit lives on. Intrtigued by your debates, I'm really  inspired to rekindle my love for this genre of music, and given there isn't going to be another "Yours is no disgrace", Roundabout", or "Heart of the Sunrise" any time soon from my chronological peers, which contempories should I be following? TFK look like the popular choice, but which album?(6 listed on my fav download site). Along with my long-time  heros (Yes), I've always held a soft spot for the classical inspiration of Godfrey's Enid, while Gentle Giant's jazz-infused innovations and Genesis/'Banks  majesterial chord progressions never failed to lift the hairs on my spine. More recently, Gazpacho's Atropos also touched an evocative nerve after a lenghty familairisation period (about 4 weeks of repetetive dosage). So, guidance would be gratefully received, along with any music sites which could push these great sounds into my conscience so I don't need to rely on good luck to know that the spirit of great music survives despite the omnipotence of BBC radio 1 (or Radio DJ in my adopted Italy) 
Thanks in advance, Michael


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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Personally I think Fly from here is the best album Yes has made since Drama...

I completely agree

Iván

You are not keen on Anderson's voice, so this is not an entirely impartial opinion.

I am VERY keen on his voice, so my entirely biased opinion is thatt his is the best they have done since Magnification. It's a good enough LP, but not in any sense a classic.
It kind of reminds me of Chris resurrecting The Syn with Syndestructible.  It's ok but it completely veers away from  the band's history and style.  The Keys releases are the Yes masterpieces of this century, although Magnification and The Ladder were both good as well.
And I'm middle of the road on Jon's voice.

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Guys,
All praise to the encyclopaedic knowledge and musical insight of the majority of contributions to this thread. I've just fallen across this site and thread by accident while researching Yes European tour dates this autumn and delighted to hear that  more than 40 years after I first discovered that magical sound of Yes in the early days of "Harold Land" the spirit lives on. Intrtigued by your debates, I'm really  inspired to rekindle my love for this genre of music, and given there isn't going to be another "Yours is no disgrace", Roundabout", or "Heart of the Sunrise" any time soon from my chronological peers, which contempories should I be following? TFK look like the popular choice, but which album?(6 listed on my fav download site). Along with my long-time  heros (Yes), I've always held a soft spot for the classical inspiration of Godfrey's Enid, while Gentle Giant's jazz-infused innovations and Genesis/'Banks  majesterial chord progressions never failed to lift the hairs on my spine. More recently, Gazpacho's Atropos also touched an evocative nerve after a lenghty familairisation period (about 4 weeks of repetetive dosage). So, guidance would be gratefully received, along with any music sites which could push these great sounds into my conscience so I don't need to rely on good luck to know that the spirit of great music survives despite the omnipotence of BBC radio 1 (or Radio DJ in my adopted Italy) 
Thanks in advance, Michael
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Personally I think Fly from here is the best album Yes has made since Drama...

I completely agree

Iván

You are not keen on Anderson's voice, so this is not an entirely impartial opinion.

I am VERY keen on his voice, so my entirely biased opinion is thatt his is the best they have done since Magnification. It's a good enough LP, but not in any sense a classic.
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Personally I think Fly from here is the best album Yes has made since Drama...

I completely agree

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Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Personally I think Fly from here is the best album Yes has made since Drama...
I would tend to agree.
 
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Originally posted by roberto59 roberto59 wrote:

Sorry El Bothy, but it is just because of "Fly from here" that I started longing for the old times Yes spirit (or even for the more recent ones, "Keys to Ascension" for instance).

Pardon me, but I did not like Yeggles music at the "Drama" time nor do I like it now: honestly I was expecting something more than some recycled stuff.

(Sorry, I am sad about the decadence of my all time favourite band).


Thanks however for contributing.

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If "Fly From Here"  has made you realize how special the "Keys" sessions were, then it has done you a great service.
 
That said, I'd listen to "Fly From Here" over "Drama" most days.
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