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The Beatles had great melodies but I always liked how they added the unusual recording techniques, unusual instrumentation for rock music, unusual time signatures, unusual chords for rock and other songwriting aspects that you find in many of their songs.   
 
I will always felt that the childlike psychedelia of "Yellow Submarine", "She Said She Said" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" were a key influence on early Pink Floyd as Syd listened to those records intensely. While 'Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds" was recorded at the same time as Pink Floyd were recording their first album they ended up name checking the song on "Let There Be More Light".  Was "Corporal Klegg" an answer to 'Sgt. Pepper or the Beatles "Taxman" guitar riff?
 
If you listen to "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "I Am the Walrus" all those samples and random voices are later found on many Pink Floyd songs. Listen to the transition between "You Never Give Me Your Money/ Sun King" again with all those looped sound effects are all over the place on Dark Side of the Moon.
 
 


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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by claugroi claugroi wrote:

Yes, indeed. Besides, I've seen many people who actually like both bands saying "I really like The Beatles, but I'm going to vote for Floyd" or "The Beatles are simply fantastic, but I'm going with Floyd on this one". I mean... where's sense in all that ?? Hahaha...

There still may be some sense. Some people just choose not to explain why Floyd, but that's fine with me.

Well, not to me... I think everything has a reason, even if we don't know it. So, to me, if somebody votes for a band, there's got to be an explanation for that. Even being the most fanatic beatlemaniac I've known in my entire life, I have arguments to support my option, it's not simply pre-conceived bias... but I do know some people just don't want or feel the need to explain.
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Originally posted by claugroi claugroi wrote:

Yes, indeed. Besides, I've seen many people who actually like both bands saying "I really like The Beatles, but I'm going to vote for Floyd" or "The Beatles are simply fantastic, but I'm going with Floyd on this one". I mean... where's sense in all that ?? Hahaha...

There still may be some sense. Some people just choose not to explain why Floyd, but that's fine with me.
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Who do I prefer from an emotional perspective? Pink Floyd. Who do I think was the more creative force? The Beatles. I guess that, at the end of the day, I'd vote Pink Floyd, but if you forced me to include all solo/post-group projects from either side of the fence, it wouldn't be fair at all. 

So, with solo/post materials = Beatles
Without solo/post materials = Pink Floyd
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ I think that a lot of people chose not to take that (the impact, the historical influence) into account and rather vote for their choices based on the merits of talent and the power of the music.

Yes, indeed. Besides, I've seen many people who actually like both bands saying "I really like The Beatles, but I'm going to vote for Floyd" or "The Beatles are simply fantastic, but I'm going with Floyd on this one". I mean... where's sense in all that ?? Hahaha...
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Anybody who thinks 'Revolution', 'Helter Skelter', or 'I am the Walrus' are too polite simply...doesn't have a similar taste in music to me at all.
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^ I think that a lot of people chose not to take that (the impact, the historical influence) into account and rather vote for their choices based on the merits of talent and the power of the music.
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Some of these comments are rabid. A comparison can't really be drawn on sensible lines because without the Beatles there would be no such thing as Pink Floyd or any other band. It's not just about what place bands arrived at (such as Pink Floyd) it's about how they got there in the first place, and anyone who doesn't understand that piece of history either arrived recently on earth in a time capsule or is truly bonkers.
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^ It's too bad Zomby jumped ship, though.
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Originally posted by wellsfargo wellsfargo wrote:

Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

 

Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Have Beatles ever composed a song as good as Shine on? Or Echoes? Or Dogs? Have they ever thought of concepts such as Dark Side? Or the Wall?
My vote would go to the obvious.
 

Nope. The Beatles composed trivial pop nonsense.

Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

 
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

 
Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

Too poppy for my tastes.
In the sense that sugar might be considered too sweet for someone's taste?Or that BB King might be considered too bluesy for someone's taste?Or that Count Basie might be considered too jazzy for someone's taste?Confused
 
Maybe he meant too commercial, the music is too conventional sometimes. That would be my guess.
 

I meant thaat the music that The Beatles offer is, to my ears, simplistic pop music. Its just too polite for my tastes. Give me some Frank Zappa, King Crimon or VdGG anyday. 

Honestly, The Beatles are 'anti-prog' to me.

Perhaps that's because you're thinking of the 1957 - 1964 phase of the band. I can't see any prog connection there either, although they have always composed great songs "for my taste" since the very beginning, just like In Spite of All the Danger or Cry for a Shadow. Nonetheless, from 1965 on, they magically transformed their sound, thinking and attitude. Really, everything changed. They were one of the basis to the Psychedelic movement and, as you should know, Psychedelic movement was the basis of Prog. I personally think it would be too much to say The Beatles were a Prog band, even at the end, but they almost certainly would have been had they continued to play. Besides, they were infinitely more important to music than Pink Floyd. Floyd has never achieved (and never will) The Beatles' level of success, sales and prestige in every single corner of the world. Gilmour/Waters compositions have never been as popular as Lennon/McCartney or Harrison ones. Gilmour's black strat has never been as popular as John and George's Rickenbacker models, just as much Waters' Rickenbacker and Fender basses have never been as popular as Paul's Höfner. Floyd members haircuts have never been copied by (literally) millions of youngsters around the world. When teenagers get their first guitar, bass, drum set or whatever instrument, they don't want to play Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Echoes or Comfortably Numb, they want to play A Hard Day's Night, Ticket to Ride, Day Tripper or Help!. We even refer to the Beatles members by their first names, because we know there are only 4 guys in the world that can be called "John", "Paul", "George" and "Ringo", but very few people would recognise "David", "Roger", "Richard/Rick" and "Nicholas/Nick". John, George and Paul (I don't know about Ringo) even liked some Prog bands ! Did you know they admired The Piper at the Gates of Dawn ? Did you know Lennon was very fond of SEBTP and that made Steve Hackett very proud ? Why am I writing this ? Because this is all about influence, more than fame or money. I don't know any Prog band that doesn't cite The Beatles as one of their influences. I mean, I find it cool to compare these two bands in a poll, but Pink Floyd is only winning here because this is a Progressive Rock site, no doubt. Has Pink Floyd ever composed a song as good as Dear Prudence? Or Strawberry Fields Forever ? Or I Want You (She's So Heavy) ? Or A Day in the Life ? Have they ever thought of concepts such as Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band ? Or Magical Mystery Tour ? Or other fantastic non-conceptual albums like the White Album ? Or Abbey Road ? So, don't ever call The Beatles an "anti-prog" band if you don't know their entire career and can't analise it without bias; don't ever say they composed "trivial pop nonsense", "simplistic pop music" or "too commercial/too conventional songs" if you don't know absolutely all of their songs, like beatlemaniacs as me do.

P.S.: I love Pink Floyd, but The Beatles are, for sure, my favourite band on this planet.
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I love both but i like Pink Floyd more.
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Pink Floyd, no contest
They flutter behind you your possible pasts,
Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost.
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Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:



Honestly, The Beatles are 'anti-prog' to me.


Happiness is a warm gun ?

She's so heavy ?

Here comes the sun ?

Or even the much dreaded Revolution °9 ?
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I like them equally, both are bands for which I have the utmost respect but they will never be among my favourite bands of all time.
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Pink Floyd
This night wounds time.
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Edited by Zombywoof - December 05 2012 at 22:11
Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ...
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Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:



Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Have Beatles ever composed a song as good as Shine on? Or Echoes? Or Dogs? Have they ever thought of concepts such as Dark Side? Or the Wall?
My vote would go to the obvious.


Nope. The Beatles composed trivial pop nonsense.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

Too poppy for my tastes.


In the sense that sugar might be considered too sweet for someone's taste?
Or that BB King might be considered too bluesy for someone's taste?
Or that Count Basie might be considered too jazzy for someone's taste?Confused

Maybe he meant too commercial, the music is too conventional sometimes. That would be my guess.
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Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Of course, that was meant as a joke.


No, it wasn't. I've learned though, there's three things that you never want to talk about when you first meet someone: Religion, Politics, and The Beatles, because my opinions are always unpopular.

I just never got into the Beatles, man. Too poppy for my tastes.
 
The Beatles and Pink Floyd are my two favorite bands and I am not suprised that Pink Floyd would be winning on a prog site. Interestingly many of the people who ARE prog fans seemed to forget  Abbey Road Side 2  and by that time they were masters at "the recurring theme" or songs with many different sections which was actually an influence on Pink Floyd, Genesis Supper Ready and Freddy Mercury of Queen.
 
Yet it was those early Beatles songs where their unusual notorious chords and chord progression had people like Bob Dylan saying   “Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid...I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go." The chord progressions on "It Won't Be Long' where so unorthodox for it's time that it took about 30 years it became common in rock and roll. One of the things that made them stand out was their knack for using unusual keys.
 
Sgt Pepper was massively influential on all of pop and rock music. While there were earlier examples of rock albums that challenged the idea of all songs needing a certain structure to work.  It also stretched the boundaries of rock music. It was a concept album. All of these elements are common in progressive rock. It was (as were the Beatles in general), very influential in terms of turning the heads of many of the musicians who would become the core of the progressive rock movement.
 
While many people here will knock the early Beatles lyrics you can't knock the Beatles in terms of what they accomplished and how they influenced the heavy hitters of progressive rock. Yet that is one strand of music they influenced there were probably more influential on power pop, 12 string rock, folk rock, singer songwriters, how music is actually recorded,  and on 90's bands like Nirvana.



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