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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Edited by Dean - February 16 2010 at 09:22 |
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88melter ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 30 2008 Location: Madison WI Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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Why avoid people's age, that is, their cultural context, as a valid factor in their preferences and inclinations. Without that, a 54 yr old player in a new-style band loses its significance, rather than gaining some sort of objective stance.
88melter, the older guy who has seem a lot of the life in music.
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
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I am not a Dream Theater fan, but I'd like to point out that their keyboardist, Jordan Rudess, is also 54, and the other members are all in their forties. And prog-metal here has a lot of fans who are much older than 20. As I said in another thread, let's avoid age-related stereotypes whenever possible. |
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88melter ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 30 2008 Location: Madison WI Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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I like and perform classic prog. Prog metal, or some other heavier sub-genre, is the music of another generation . I am glad that it exists, that another generation of musicians and listeners keep progressive rock moving forward, but I am part of that original movement. I am not sure the audience for prog metal would believe me, or take me seriously if I was doing stuff made by and for 20-somethings. I am 54.
88melter
see www.prog-music.info for my group PROG
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Petrovsk Mizinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
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Apart from Pink Floyd, I don't really listen to much in the way of classic prog anymore really.
I like metal in general and don't really care if it's prog or not, so I'll happily listen to Megadeth, Nevermore and Katatonia alongside Between the Buried and Me, Opeth and Gojira. I do like a wider variety of prog though, from the post hardcore-prog stylings of Fall of Troy and The Mars Volta, through to jazz fusion like Ohm and Planet X and a whole bunch of other stuff |
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Henry Plainview ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
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I don't listen to much prog metal or classic prog. Do I win a prize?
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Kashmir75 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 25 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1029 |
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Prog has always had a very close relationship with metal. From the beginning. King Crimson was some of the heaviest stuff around at the time. Songs like Starless and Larks Tongues In Aspic part One have some very heavy parts. Black Sabbath, although more known for being a metal pioneer, rather than prog, always put proggy parts on their albums. Check out some of the stuff on the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath album.
Both have technicality and virtuosity as a priority. I'd say metal and prog have more in common than metal and punk do.
And this 'all music after the 80s sucks' routine is so ignorant and closed minded. I thought we were supposed to be prog fans, and thus more open minded about music. I've noticed a lot of this attitude on this board.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Anirml ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 377 |
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I find that very often prog-metal follows a few certain formulas. Normal Prog doesn't follow formulas.
I have yet to hear some prog-metal with a section where they play very quiet (and maybe add a little jazz? please!) like for example King Crimson's "21'th century schizoid man". Also the recording of much modern music is to perfect/sharp. To much metal in modern music (not all are bad, some are exeIent ![]() Edited by Anirml - February 15 2010 at 19:08 |
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SergiUriah ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 03 2009 Location: I donīt know Status: Offline Points: 453 |
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Definitely I love good progmetal. Last cds buyed online were Redemptionī s last work (my great hopeless) and a box with of an excellent spanish team called AVALANCH. The whole discography only 25 dollars...
In my humble opinion, I think nobody who loves prog can deny the doors or heir feelings to another prg scene.
Cheers.
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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WalterDigsTunes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 11 2007 Location: SanDiegoTijuana Status: Offline Points: 4373 |
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That would sound like a post-1989 album, then. |
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KingCrimson250 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 573 |
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Why are classic prog and prog metal presented as the only two options?
Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of prog metal. To be honest I haven't really been exposed to too much. I've got a few Dream Theater albums, who I don't really like all that much anymore, really the only thing I'll listen to is the Mind Beside Itself suite off Awake. The rest got boring fast. I enjoy Opeth, though. I guess I do have a problem with heavy music, in a way. I don't really mind heaviness itself, that doesn't bother me, but to me it's more the way that all the "chug-chugging" leaves the music sounding harmonically empty to my ears. When the backing for a section is just a guitarist crunching out fifths, there's only so much you can do. And sure they switch it up a bit with changing time signatures and virtuoistic drumming but it still ends up sounding a bit boring to me. Sometimes, Opeth especially, will chug chug in a way that brings out all sorts of weird notes, which I enjoy, but for the most part it's just fifths, fifths and more fifths. |
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eddiefang ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: January 29 2010 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 41 |
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I'm lucky to be able to enjoy almost all of prog's subgeners. Besides, I started to get into music through classic rock, some of which is now considered proto-prog. Then it was on to heavy and prog rock. I've always enjoyed musical prowess so its no wonder that I really enjoy prog metal, although that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy symphonic or most of all the classic prog bands. In fact, bands like Dream Theater combine many elements of the classic prog bands along with heavier stuff. The thing is that I have many friends that like prog but that don't even have the interest of exploring some of its offsprings! Sorry for them for its their loss! Maybe they associate prog metal with a younger generation...
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Green Shield Stamp ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 17 2009 Location: Telford, UK Status: Offline Points: 933 |
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SgtPepper67 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 17 2007 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 530 |
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I 'm a fan of classic prog. I like Dream Theater but that's it. I downloaded an album by Symphony X recently and I like it mainly because of the symphonic parts, the heavier parts are a bit too extreme for my taste. I liked some Opeth too but the growling ruins the whole thing.
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angelmk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 22 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1955 |
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i like all subgenres of metal, not just prog metal, but also black, death,doom, gothic, power..
Edited by angelmk - February 14 2010 at 08:33 |
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The Pessimist ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3834 |
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Oh yeah and Walter, once again, sh*t in your hands and clap. |
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg |
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camilleanne ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 29 2009 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 403 |
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I prefer progmetal..but I like prog.
Edited by camilleanne - February 14 2010 at 07:08 |
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The planet is fine the people are f**ked.
-George Carlin- |
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Gillywibble ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 13 2009 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 100 |
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I love both equally.
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There is in fact more earth than sea.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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I am a metalhead but I like prog metal only selectively. PoS, Psychotic Waltz, early DT and ACT (who are actually called eclectic prog here anyway). I don't have a problem with any kind of metal vocals or the heaviness, obviously, but I get less riffs to bite into in prog metal and less melody than well, just prog, too so it's not often very appealing for me.
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