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Matte 
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 Posted: November 19 2009 at 10:10 |
Well..."sorry" may not be the right word to express my feelings. Instead I feel frustrated! It´s pretty frustrating when a friend listen to one of my favourite prog albums and shake his head in confusion. I almost can´t stand it when he says that the music is silly and over-ambitious.
-What´s wrong with ambition in music? I sometimes reply.
But inside I know that the discussion will lead nowhere. The only thing I can do is accepting the true fact - that prog isn´t every mans cup of tea.
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catfishrob
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Posted: November 18 2009 at 12:56 |
Hi guys, first-timer here, though I have used this site very often as a personal reference  This is an interesting question and I see there is some controversy about the elitist nature of many fans here. I think this comes up with any kind of hobby, those who are very into it naturally think it is the best, that is why they like it. And I do not by any means think that my opinion or musical preferences should be forced upon others. However, I have to say I kind of do feel sorry for those who don't "get" it. This of course implies that the musical structure, or type of music, or something is beyond their comprehension because they have only been exposed to mainstream music which is clearly much more simplistic in its nature. Or possibly they do not have the intelligence to comprehend such complexities in the music, or maybe they don't like thinking about music, they just like to listen to something "for fun". And yes, I would have to say, this type of person I would feel sorry for! Not saying prog is the end-all be-all, but if they simply cannot comprehend it, as the question implies, it is likely that they would not be able to comprehend jazz, as an example that was previously mentioned. (I am a very huge fan of jazz myself as it so happens, being an alto saxophonist).Before my eyes were opened, as it were, not just to prog, but to music in general, I got a very primal and simplistic joy out of music. Since I have become an elitist, as some would say, I have gotten infinitely more enjoyment out of music, a type of connection to it that this kind of person would not be able to understand, and I pity them for that. I pity someone who has never gotten chills from a song, or felt so swept away by an emotion portrayed that they got tears in their eyes. These are incredible experiences, and people like that are missing out on them! Sure, people can have their own tastes, but you have to admit that a lot of this mainstream sh*t people are listening to nowadays just can't do this for you. Just look on iTunes and let me know if you get goosebumps from anything on the top ten and I will give you a cookie. It has nothing to do with prog, IMO, but with music in general. It just so happens that many progheads have a much deeper understanding and appreciation for music than the population at large.
Edited by catfishrob - November 18 2009 at 14:45
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CCVP
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Posted: November 18 2009 at 12:16 |
 A Person wrote:
CCVP, I just have to say the first two pics in your sig are hilarious.
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They summarize the internet pretty well, don't they?
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A Person
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Posted: November 18 2009 at 12:13 |
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CCVP, I just have to say the first two pics in your sig are hilarious.
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CCVP
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Posted: November 18 2009 at 12:05 |
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Jozef
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Posted: November 18 2009 at 12:00 |
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No. I personally don't care what other people are listening to, nor do I
feel sorry that they don't "get" progressive rock. It doesn't make a
big difference to me if you're choosing to listen to pop over anything
progressive. To each their own.
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friso
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Posted: November 18 2009 at 07:03 |
topofsm wrote:
^ Insulting the frame of the website and the people who created those categories here is a great way to earn street cred here when you have 24 posts. |
As if earning street cred is of any importance for our little discussion here. We're not a bunch of chimpanzees! Everyone is allowed to have his opinion about the way subgenres are made. The way of bringing that opinion should be gentle though.
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moshkito
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Posted: November 17 2009 at 16:01 |
scaife wrote:
Pretty much what the title indicates. Do you ever feel sorry for anyone who just doesn't hear what we hear in prog music and dismisses it completely. I don't mean sorry as in "you're such a loser"...I mean sorry as in "wow...it's really a shame that you don't hear what I hear in this music...there's soooo much you're missing out on....you're such a loser." |
It goes both ways ... they could just as easily say the same thing about you and I ...
I do tend to think, and sometimes my posts suggest that I am stuck up ... that because I am familiar with 3,000 years of music and have the extensive collection of classical and progressive as well, that there is a lot more to music ... than what most people will EVER know in their life ... and until the day you get on a plane, or boat, and go see the world a little, you will never know or understand what that means ...
All too often, the references and discussions here are about "populist" ideals ... and I am never sure that we would want an art to be judged and remembered through time simply because it was the most popular and not necessarily the one that made a difference ...
In the end, it was "the difference" that made all of this music we like important and remembered ... and I am not sure that will change anytime soon ... but judging it simply because it was famous and well known ... should not be a factor at all.
If you take Genesis out of the famous Charisma label ... I wonder how many people in this board can name 2 or 3 other artists on that label ... so we know the label because of Genesis? ... NO CHEATING ... just off the top of your head! Hint ... I was there and had the first albums ... but by comparison HIpgnosis was there almost 4 years before ... there is no comparison! I would almost say that Genesis is already the 2nd generation of progressive stuff ... and already was not as adventurous as a lot of other music out there in Europe ... ANGE was far more theatrical than Genesis, who had to revert to costumes .... Decamps didn't need costumes to show you how prog music could be ... and WELL ACTED ... though Peter didn't do too bad himself ... no complaints there ... but it was being done elsewhere as well! ... most folks here can talk Genesis/Gabriel, but not about other bands at the time that were also doing just as good, if not better material.
Edited by moshkito - November 17 2009 at 16:37
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 17 2009 at 15:59 |
topofsm wrote:
^ Insulting the frame of the website and the people who created those categories here is a great way to earn street cred here when you have 24 posts. |
He's far too cool for street cred here. He has more, like...Bill Gates cred. In fact, he may actually be Warren Buffet!
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Paper Champion
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Posted: November 17 2009 at 15:24 |
I feel sorry for the people who adores Tool or Mars Volta without even knowing KC or VDGG. It seems to me they've missed lots of great bands which started all that prog thing. At the same time I don't feel sorry for those who can't get into prog at all and listen to Linkin Park or Fall Out Boy - in fact, it is their own personal choice what music to listen or not. These people just don't deserve to listen to prog
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: November 17 2009 at 03:59 |
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Actually, some deaf people aren't born that way but lose their hearing later and hence have memories of sound.
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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jammun
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Posted: November 16 2009 at 21:47 |
I don't feel sorry for those who don't enjoy any particular type of music. To each his/her own. It's what they like. Some people care to know more, some care to know less.
My wife has over the years worked with young kids with all sorts of physical challenges.
Of those, the ones I really feel for are those who can't hear at all, the deaf. They will never know ANY kind of music or sound. Think about it. At the most basic level. On their fourth birthday they'll be able to sign the words to 'Happy Birthday To You', but never know the joy of even that simplistic melody, nor any melody, nor the sound of any instrument, nor the apparently instinctual rush that even I-IV-V brings to the hearing part of the brain here in Western culture.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Stooge
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Posted: November 16 2009 at 21:23 |
I don't feel sorry for those that don't "get" prog. The type of music consumer I feel sorry for is the person that limits their musical consumption to what they hear on the radio, or those who chose their music preferences solely on what those around them are listening to. It's hard for me to believe that these people still exist in the age of the internet with myspace, youtube, and whatnot. My mother has that type of a relationship with music to a lesser degree. I'm just glad that I don't come home and hear her blasting Fall Out Boy or something  . She doesn't really listen to that much music though. I can't remember the last time she actually bought an album for herself. I think that picking up a musical instrument (bass) helped me distance myself from that type of attitude when listening or purchasing music. Granted, there were some bands that I didn't listen to when I was younger, but lots of people I knew loved them. One such band, Metallica, was a group that didn't really grab me when I was 12 years old. 4 years later, they became one of my favorite bands, and they still are. Back to the instrument thing. I believe that taking up bass was a good decision in terms of steering me away from more "straightforward" music. I wanted to hear artists with interesting bass playing as I improved my playing, and many of those groups happened to be progressive-natured artists, not necessarily "prog". Not sure whether the bass directly pointed me to such music or whether it was just me getting older, but it definitely had a part in shaping my tastes.
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Padraic
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Posted: November 16 2009 at 20:54 |
SoundscapeMN wrote:
I feel embarrassed by all the disgusting categorizations that this forum and website uses. "Crossover Prog," "Prog-Related,"
those terms sound like something, someone whose living in their parents basement made-up.
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I feel embarrassed for you You probably live in your parents' basement
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: November 16 2009 at 20:50 |
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After reading some of the older posts, I agree with Petrovsk Mininski and The T- We are a bunch of egotistical jerks. My outlook on other musical tastes have changed, so I'm sorry.
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topofsm
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Posted: November 16 2009 at 18:21 |
^ Insulting the frame of the website and the people who created those categories here is a great way to earn street cred here when you have 24 posts.
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SoundscapeMN
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Posted: November 16 2009 at 18:16 |
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I feel embarrassed by all the disgusting categorizations that this forum and website uses. "Crossover Prog," "Prog-Related,"
those terms sound like something, someone whose living in their parents basement made-up.
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http://last.fm/user/SoundscapeMN
http://allmediareviews.blogspot.com
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 15 2009 at 00:47 |
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Not at all because I think a lot of prog rock fans get too caught up in complexity for complexity's sake. It's not a hard and fast rule that great music must always be difficult to absorb but my general impression is that the worth of something that's simple and beautiful and requires genius to conceive is undervalued here or in any other circle of prog rock fans I have been in. That way, at least the "non-prog'" crowd have not shut doors to a lot of great stuff that prog rock fans wouldn't pay much attention to. Stevie Wonder, for instance. So, yeah, if anything, I feel sorry for people who think music that's complex is automatically great and that which is not is not worth exploring. And I am not saying prog rock fans are the ONLY kind of music listeners who do this but you do see a lot of that in prog circles.
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The T
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Posted: November 14 2009 at 17:13 |
The Block wrote:
Alberto Muñoz wrote:
topofsm wrote:
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
Pekka wrote:
The T wrote:
debrewguy wrote:
i feel sorry for those who don't get fed, or loved.
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[LINK to THREAD] Prog as a substitute for life [/LINK to THREAD]
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The Block
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Posted: November 14 2009 at 08:15 |
Alberto Muñoz wrote:
topofsm wrote:
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
Pekka wrote:
The T wrote:
debrewguy wrote:
i feel sorry for those who don't get fed, or loved.
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I also feel bad for people who hate quote pyramids |
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Those who don't get fed or loved probably don't like prog either.
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 Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!
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