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Epignosis 
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 Posted: April 21 2014 at 07:10 |
 Finnforest wrote:
Happy Easter you guys, hope you have a beautiful day tomorrow with family. I'm going to. I am so blessed and grateful for all that has been given to me in this life.
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Our oldest child was baptized yesterday morning. And he's so funny...when the preacher referenced "This young man," Simon said "What young man?" 
I am thankful for all I have and who I live for.
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Kentucky_Hawkwindage
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Posted: April 19 2014 at 19:25 |
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Same to you JIm-I'll be having breakfast with my folks in the morning.
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"Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 19 2014 at 18:33 |
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Happy Easter you guys, hope you have a beautiful day tomorrow with family. I'm going to. I am so blessed and grateful for all that has been given to me in this life.
Edited by Finnforest - April 19 2014 at 18:34
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Prog 74
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Posted: March 28 2014 at 11:39 |
AlexDOM wrote:
Prog 74 wrote:
The key is to never stop believing regardless of what happens in your life. It's not for us to know why bad things happen. A walk with Jesus is not for the weak. There are perils and pitfalls around every corner. Just stay on the path and keep going forward. |
Agreed. It's signing up to die! (But really live... you know)
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That's very true! It's a good way to look at it.
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Prog 74
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Posted: March 28 2014 at 11:38 |
Kentucky_Hawkwindage wrote:
Prog 74 wrote:
The key is to never stop believing regardless of what happens in your life. It's not for us to know why bad things happen. A walk with Jesus is not for the weak. There are perils and pitfalls around every corner. Just stay on the path and keep going forward. |
I guess i'm weak and if i'm being tested i'm failing miserably.I believe i'm basically a decent person who treats everyone as i would like to be treated.Yet i'm constantly having to deal with never ending bad luck and misfortune.My mom tries to get me to go back to church but i simply cannot believe in it anymore.Sorry if this sounds appalling to anyone.You would have to walk a mile in my shoes to understand.I do consider PA a positive force and theraputic in its own way though. |
I completely understand. I have only been to church once in the last year or so. Church has never really been for me. You can believe and not go to Church. Christ is everywhere you seek him, not just in some building on Sunday morning. Believe me I have had my share of bad luck, but like I said a walk with Jesus is not for the weak. You will be tested. It's easy to give up and stop believing. PA is a positive force. There is a brotherhood here that is very comforting. And believe me there are many here who are atheists yet they do not judge and treat me with any disrespect. We accept everyone for who they are. In a way PA is more like a church should be.
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Kentucky_Hawkwindage
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Posted: March 27 2014 at 17:46 |
Prog 74 wrote:
The key is to never stop believing regardless of what happens in your life. It's not for us to know why bad things happen. A walk with Jesus is not for the weak. There are perils and pitfalls around every corner. Just stay on the path and keep going forward. |
I guess i'm weak and if i'm being tested i'm failing miserably.I believe i'm basically a decent person who treats everyone as i would like to be treated.Yet i'm constantly having to deal with never ending bad luck and misfortune.My mom tries to get me to go back to church but i simply cannot believe in it anymore.Sorry if this sounds appalling to anyone.You would have to walk a mile in my shoes to understand.I do consider PA a positive force and theraputic in its own way though.
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AlexDOM
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Posted: March 27 2014 at 17:00 |
Prog 74 wrote:
The key is to never stop believing regardless of what happens in your life. It's not for us to know why bad things happen. A walk with Jesus is not for the weak. There are perils and pitfalls around every corner. Just stay on the path and keep going forward. |
Agreed. It's signing up to die! (But really live... you know)
Edited by AlexDOM - March 27 2014 at 17:01
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: March 27 2014 at 16:34 |
The bible is written in cryptic language. It is garbed with metaphors, parables and
symbolisms. It seems to me that those
who realize this still take the metaphors verbatim and passages that are
literal are taken metaphorically.
Since faith came up, this passage about faith is literal and
not figurative.
“If you have faith as
small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to
there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
Faith is the intuitive power of the soul, it is unchanging. It can literally move mountains as well as change
the orbits of the planets. “Nothing is impossible.”
Belief is of the ego and can change along with any thought
process.
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Prog 74
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Posted: March 27 2014 at 10:53 |
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The key is to never stop believing regardless of what happens in your life. It's not for us to know why bad things happen. A walk with Jesus is not for the weak. There are perils and pitfalls around every corner. Just stay on the path and keep going forward.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: March 26 2014 at 03:54 |
AlexDOM wrote:
The book of Job might be a helpful book to study on this topic.
And our sign is the finished work of Christ. The perfect life, crucifixion, resurrection, and soon return of the Messiah Jesus Christ. Do we need to demand more? Why should the clay always demand explanation from the potter?
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I totally agree.
I think there is often too much emphasis on the feeling, when it comes to faith. Lots of times people have "desert experiences", often for a long time, where they don't feel or experience anything of God. It's hard, though, I admit! As a pastor, I sometimes meet people who seem to have many catastrophes at the same time. Often I don't know what to say to them.
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AlexDOM
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Posted: March 25 2014 at 16:53 |
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The book of Job might be a helpful book to study on this topic.
And our sign is the finished work of Christ. The perfect life, crucifixion, resurrection, and soon return of the Messiah Jesus Christ. Do we need to demand more? Why should the clay always demand explanation from the potter?
But honestly it really is a struggle, I don't understand why things happen the way they do.
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Prog 74
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Posted: March 25 2014 at 09:31 |
Kentucky_Hawkwindage wrote:
Prog 74 wrote:
My faith is a floundering thing. I believe in Christ though I do not attend any particular church. To believe in Christ and to be religious are entirely different things. I don't agree with much that is preached in church, especially in regards to social issues - gay marriage, abortion, etc. I do believe in Christ however my faith changes day to day though. Some days I just don't believe in any of it, yet I never completely give up on it. It's a struggle I guess. Anyone else feel this way? |
Yeah-I hear you...Only i may be floundering more than you.Not knocking anyone's beliefs,its a great thing if you can believe-but after what i've been through in my life it's really hard for me to believe in much of anything anymore....... |
I know how you feel man. I've been there many times. In fact I've probably disbelieved more than I've believed in my life. It's hard not to want "proof" or "evidence" or something. Some people have had miraculous things happen to them and that is great, but what about the rest of us? Where is our "sign"? Where are these angels everyone talks about? Why do bad things keep happening to good people? I keep believing, but some days it's really hard.
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Prog 74
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Posted: March 25 2014 at 09:25 |
Finnforest wrote:
Prog 74 wrote:
My faith is a floundering thing. I believe in Christ though I do not attend any particular church. To believe in Christ and to be religious are entirely different things. I don't agree with much that is preached in church, especially in regards to social issues - gay marriage, abortion, etc. I do believe in Christ however my faith changes day to day though. Some days I just don't believe in any of it, yet I never completely give up on it. It's a struggle I guess. Anyone else feel this way? |
Marc, I think many could probably relate to a floundering of faith as you say. I know I was lost for several decades and at times even openly hostile to faith. Just in the last few years some things happened that amaze me and I found out my faith and love of the catholic church was still there. I'm not going into all of that here as much of it personal.. I would just say to try to keep the door open as you get older, pray and express your feelings to God, you never know....Also there are many different kinds of communities and you can certainly find one that fits whatever your views on social issues. I wish you the best whatever happens
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The door will always be open. Always. It's just that sometimes life knocks you down so many times you begin to wonder if God is really looking out for you or not. Some people say we are being "tested" to see how strong our faith is. Maybe that's so, but it seems so cruel. I do know I have a lot to be thankful for in spite of the bad times. I'll keep praying and keep believing. One day, in this life or in the next, it will all be revealed.
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Kentucky_Hawkwindage
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Posted: March 24 2014 at 20:25 |
Prog 74 wrote:
My faith is a floundering thing. I believe in Christ though I do not attend any particular church. To believe in Christ and to be religious are entirely different things. I don't agree with much that is preached in church, especially in regards to social issues - gay marriage, abortion, etc. I do believe in Christ however my faith changes day to day though. Some days I just don't believe in any of it, yet I never completely give up on it. It's a struggle I guess. Anyone else feel this way? |
Yeah-I hear you...Only i may be floundering more than you.Not knocking anyone's beliefs,its a great thing if you can believe-but after what i've been through in my life it's really hard for me to believe in much of anything anymore.......
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Finnforest
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Posted: March 24 2014 at 18:49 |
Prog 74 wrote:
My faith is a floundering thing. I believe in Christ though I do not attend any particular church. To believe in Christ and to be religious are entirely different things. I don't agree with much that is preached in church, especially in regards to social issues - gay marriage, abortion, etc. I do believe in Christ however my faith changes day to day though. Some days I just don't believe in any of it, yet I never completely give up on it. It's a struggle I guess. Anyone else feel this way? |
Marc, I think many could probably relate to a floundering of faith as you say. I know I was lost for several decades and at times even openly hostile to faith. Just in the last few years some things happened that amaze me and I found out my faith and love of the catholic church was still there. I'm not going into all of that here as much of it personal.. I would just say to try to keep the door open as you get older, pray and express your feelings to God, you never know....Also there are many different kinds of communities and you can certainly find one that fits whatever your views on social issues. I wish you the best whatever happens
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: March 24 2014 at 18:46 |
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Yes it does conflict. It conflicts very badly.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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aapatsos
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Posted: March 24 2014 at 18:40 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The T wrote:
All true, though nothing beats the woman saying "I'd encourage Mr. Darwin to try God"  |
I don't blame that woman, that's an act of faith, and God knows if that woman even know who's Darwin, they are a product of schools who teach that Intelligent Design is a science. A few Catholics believe in ID (Very few, specially in USA), but even they know that it's not science, it's religion....I criticize people who use the prefix Dr, before their names and say teach that evolution is diabolic.
My nephew has 10 years, and he studies in the same Catholic School I did, just gave him my copy of The Origin of the Species I used many decades ago (I keep some school books covered with transparent plastic), the funny thing is that he also has the same science teacher I had, the guy must be 60 at least (he was a newly graduate in my days and heard Rick Wakeman), but I'm glad he is still there, because the guy taught me that evolution is not incompatible with faith.
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I totally agree that science (evolution included) is not incompatible with faith. Does the genealogy of Christ in the New Testament conflict with the Theory of Evolution (for human that is)?
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Finnforest
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Posted: March 24 2014 at 18:27 |
^ David, that's awesome! Sounds like a great family tradition. I'm going to try watching the remake sometime to see how Iike it in comparison. But the original is the original, can't go wrong!
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 24 2014 at 11:14 |
Finnforest wrote:
Last night I watched a lovely family film called Marcellino Pan y Vino, which was made in 1955 in Spain. It is about a young child adopted by Franciscan friars after his mother's death. The boy is a little rascal who keeps interesting the lives of these monks and of course they get very attached to him. Over time he develops a relationship with our Lord that is handled very beautifully by the filmmaker.
By today's standards the film is old fashioned and this might bother today's viewer used to action and modern technique. But if you are looking for an affirming family film that embraces faith rather than mocking it, this is a charming little story. There are many positive messages throughout. There have been remakes over the years but i would encourage you to seek out the original 1955 version, there's something special about this film. The DVD comes with subtitles or an English audio track if you don't like reading subtitles.
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Damn!! I forgot to report back on this!! I love old movies Jim and couldn't resist asking my dad about this one seeing as he is the closest anyone can possibly get to becoming a living breathing film encyclopaedia. Well what d'you know - he actually knew it and told me he'd seen it with his dad some 50 years ago. I'll keep my peepers open for it. Who knows, maybe I could make this into a family tradition.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
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Prog 74
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Posted: March 24 2014 at 10:58 |
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My faith is a floundering thing. I believe in Christ though I do not attend any particular church. To believe in Christ and to be religious are entirely different things. I don't agree with much that is preached in church, especially in regards to social issues - gay marriage, abortion, etc. I do believe in Christ however my faith changes day to day though. Some days I just don't believe in any of it, yet I never completely give up on it. It's a struggle I guess. Anyone else feel this way?
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