The Police??? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

I'd be comfortable with them as Prog Related particularly since I got interested in them with Synchronicity which is their most prog related album. I never went back beyond Zenyatta in adding albums of theirs to my collection. And I kinda agree with Sean that there are a lot of artists in crossover that would be at home in prog related.

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Anyway, here's how I see it. Most of us on here are big music fans in general and have a knowledge and appreciation for music that goes way beyond prog so we don't need to have certain bands on here just so we can say we like them more. That's just silly. There are many bands on here most of us know(and like) that aren't prog. The Police and the Talking Heads are just two. I'm sure if the Beatles, The Who, Led Zeppelin and the Doors weren't on here it wouldn't make them any more obscure to most of us either.

I'm in complete agreement with you (especially the 'silly' part Smile

) but whether we like it or not, there is a pervasive and stubborn perception out there that Prog Related is tantamount to 'Honorary Prog' status. I'm not sure how we combat this misunderstanding so that moving forward, additions are evaluated under the generally agreed criteria

Blacksword wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

The Police are one of the biggest bands in rock music, they were at the top of the world for years. I think they would be in my Top 10 Bands of all time.

Both Andy and Stewart came from progy bands, but I really don't think they created any of The Police music with prog in mind. They don't need to be listed on PA database, in any sub genre.

This.

Great band, but they are not prog and are barely bordering on prog related. Same goes for Talking Heads.

I totally agree. Next thing you know, there'll be calls for the Stranglers to be added to ProgArchives.

^ That would be a welcomed move, but I wouldn't hold my breath there.

Edited by Man With Hat - May 09 2020 at 22:51

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^ I'm not a fan but that's not the reason I believe their inclusion in Prog Related, like many other bands who I do like, is at best, dubious. There's no benefit to be gained by dredging up the past as long as we can learn from our mistakes moving forward.

Easy Money wrote:

zeuhl1 wrote:

While personally I wouldn't include the Police despite an established prog history that goes deep into the roots of the foundation years of the genre and more recent lps with Fripp, I was a bit gob smacked to see a review of Metallica today? How did a thrash band slip past the goalie?
I did buy the Strontium 90 single when it originally came out and bought each Police Lp upon release. But Metallica?

A highly respected collaborator, who i will not name because he left long ago, was very persistent about Metallica's inclusion and could site specific musical samples etc. All of this is probably still on the forum somewhere.

If not for his efforts, I doubt many would have bothered to consider them.

Easy Money wrote:

For those who are wondering why some bands are in prog related and some are not. It works like this, if a well respected and well connected site member who really knows what he or she is doing and has a long track record of working the system here and getting things done without pissing off too many people and they push hard enough and develop well considered arguments, then there is a slight chance they may get the band on here.
Without all the other stuff I mentioned, the band does not stand a chance.
These are not rules, this is just what i have observed happen in my time here.

Metallica were rejected for Prog Related by the site owner (Max) on 30/05/07 but subsequently added on 13/10/2008

Those with sufficient intestinal fortitude can follow that bun fight here:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29489&PID=2928809#2928809

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29489&PID=2996639#2996639

and the re-match here, where all manner of heinous subterfuge, including bun tampering was alleged: Shocked

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52554&KW=Metallica&PN=1

It's not a case of 'the Police for PA' but lack of policing for many previous Prog Related additions Wink

Edited by ExittheLemming - May 09 2020 at 21:19

Tom Ozric wrote:

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

The Anders wrote:

I would normally count Roxy Music as art rock. The one song that does sound proggy to me in some way is "The Bogus Man".

The difference is Roxy Music are on this site(under crossover prog). Many of the bands considered Zolo aren't.

IMO Roxy’s first 2 albums are Prog, even Proto-Punk, the first 2 Split Enz albums are full-blown quirky Symph-Prog, and the first 2 Devo albums have strong Progressive traits, especially their 2nd.

I would have thought that the songs on the first two Roxy albums were too straight forward to be considered "prog". The music is clearly progressive, as in innovative, forward thinking and so on, but I think it lies more with the sonic textures (courtesy of Eno) rather than f.e. song structures.

Personally I find it a bit difficult to figure out where the line is drawn on this site between prog (as a genre) and rock music that is progressive in one way or another. Before joining this site, I had a much more narrow concept of prog (the likes of Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Rush, King Crimson and so on), and there was no way I would think of f.e. Brian Eno and Kraftwerk in that category.

It's the first time I ever hear the term "zolo"...

Tom Ozric wrote:

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

^Frank Zappa doesn't consider Devo to be progressive rock so I guess they aren't. Wink

He also doesn't(or should I say didn't)consider Procol Harum or Traffic to be prog rock either. I agree with Devo not being prog but not PH or Traffic(especially not Traffic).

Sometimes 🙃

No, he said sometimes for the others not for Devo, Traffic or Procol Harum. Wink

I say FECK THE POLICE! hehe

Somebody start a New Wave Archives and they'd be perfect for there but PA? nah

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^Frank Zappa doesn't consider Devo to be progressive rock so I guess they aren't. Wink

He also doesn't(or should I say didn't)consider Procol Harum or Traffic to be prog rock either. I agree with Devo not being prog but not PH or Traffic(especially not Traffic).

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - May 09 2020 at 16:47