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Posted: February 22 2017 at 20:00
Yeah I know. Back in the seventies there were FM stations that would play full albums late at night plus live feeds. Some albums ran under 45 minutes such as Animals and some Gentle Giant records.I even remember hearing long songs like Supper's Ready but those glory days are gone
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Posted: February 22 2017 at 19:35
Kepler62 wrote:
Why don't they play anything from Animals?
Because FM radio only plays songs longer than ~6-7 minutes in very rare circumstances and the only songs on Animals that are less than 10 minutes long is Pigs On The Wing, which are far from the best things on the album.
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Posted: February 22 2017 at 19:11
There was only one really good track on The Wall. The one that gets played to death on classic rock radio stations. Why don't they play anything from Animals?
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Posted: February 22 2017 at 15:06
I listened to it again after a very long period of having not. The music for the most part is painfully simplex. Duke's Travels is alright and is the most progressive thing on the album. Still, it's mainly of value to anyone seeking a lot of keyboard gratification; guitar fan? forget it. The timbres on the keyboard are nice. I like that. No interesting textures or interactive melodies or counterpoint and so on. Nothing too complicated; an atmospheric background of sound with cycling keyboard solos on top. Certainly there's more guitar on Dukes End, but it's very ordinary. The opening to Behind the Lines and Duchess have the "sound" of Prog, but have all the inner complexity and innovation of just about any AC/DC song, so they're not Prog. As for the rest of it, I can't detect Prog anything of any sort. I don't know in what way this can be thought of as a Prog album. Maybe an album with a glimpse of Prog. Although I like Phil Collins' vocals in large part on Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering (some exceptions), his vocals are annoying to me nearly all throughout Duke. He seems to be singing in an effort to charm teenage girls. The vocals have something the sort of which I can only describe as a sort of "Pop glee" that leaves me very uncomfortable.
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Posted: February 22 2017 at 13:10
lazland wrote:
Kepler62 wrote:
Horrible. Phil wrecked the band with his top forty bubble gum fantasies. I even have a problem listening to the early material of Genesis because of Phil.
Banks and Rutherford were just as responsible for the direction Genesis took after Hackett left. It is simply wrong to load all the "blame" on Collins.
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Posted: February 22 2017 at 10:33
Kepler62 wrote:
Horrible. Phil wrecked the band with his top forty bubble gum fantasies. I even have a problem listening to the early material of Genesis because of Phil.
Banks and Rutherford were just as responsible for the direction Genesis took after Hackett left. It is simply wrong to load all the "blame" on Collins.
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Posted: February 22 2017 at 09:56
Kepler62 wrote:
Horrible. Phil wrecked the band with his top forty bubble gum fantasies. I even have a problem listening to the early material of Genesis because of Phil.
Have you listened to the album as a whole? Most of the songs are really good. "Duke's Travels/End" is just as proggy as their earlier efforts, "Heathaze" is a beautiful song with an original chord progression and a nice melody and "Duchess", "Turn it on Again" and "Behind the Lines" are good examples of "prog-pop" done right. Maybe you should give it another shot.
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Posted: February 22 2017 at 08:39
Slartibartfast wrote:
I got my copy of Duke autographed when they put in a record store appearance. Oh an amusing note my brother brought a copy of Moroccan Roll and Tony signed it. They passed it around and all laughed at the back cover. Yeah Misunderstanding was certainly some kind of mistake. heheheh I also thing Abacrabs should get more respect. Whodunnit gets trashed but I think that is not deserved. It was supposed to be silly.
There's a somewhat infamous picture in one of the Genesis bios of Phil getting ready to sign a copy of Moroccan Roll at an in-store appearance.
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Posted: February 22 2017 at 05:21
Horrible. Phil wrecked the band with his top forty bubble gum fantasies. I even have a problem listening to the early material of Genesis because of Phil.
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Posted: February 22 2017 at 02:56
I really love the emotional punch of "Duchess". "Turn It On Again" is their greatest single. Duke is great. And I also like Abacab. I'd pick a PG era for best Genesis album, but for Collins era, it would more likely be Duke.
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Posted: February 22 2017 at 01:37
I got my copy of Duke autographed when they put in a record store appearance. Oh an amusing note my brother brought a copy of Moroccan Roll and Tony signed it. They passed it around and all laughed at the back cover. Yeah Misunderstanding was certainly some kind of mistake. heheheh I also thing Abacrabs should get more respect. Whodunnit gets trashed but I think that is not deserved. It was supposed to be silly.
Edited by Slartibartfast - February 22 2017 at 01:42
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: February 21 2017 at 10:38
It's their last great album IMO. I have a real soft spot for ATTWT, but Duke is arguably more consistent and in places more powerful.
I'm not keen on Misunderstanding and Please don't ask, but everthing else is excellent. Man of our times, Cul de sac, Turn it on again and Dukes Travels/End are my fave tunes on Duke.
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Posted: February 21 2017 at 09:50
RoeDent wrote:
I hope you actually mean "Genesis' last prog album" here, and not the last prog album ever made. And even then, that is debatable. Prog = progressive, moving forwards. We need to get rid of the snobbish attitude that radio friendly = regression for prog artists. There are elements of prog in all of Genesis' albums; just because they found the magic formula for how to appeal to a large fanbase doesn't mean they suddenly stopped being "prog", whatever that even means.
I like the way you think. Let's also look at "Home By The Sea" (both parts) from Genesis (1983). Had a band from England's early '80s neo scene recorded that, they'd probably be credited with helping reinvigorate the scene.
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Posted: February 21 2017 at 09:48
RoeDent wrote:
Old King Cole wrote:
I personally think it should be regarded as the last prog album.
I hope you actually mean "Genesis' last prog album" here, and not the last prog album ever made. And even then, that is debatable. Prog = progressive, moving forwards. We need to get rid of the snobbish attitude that radio friendly = regression for prog artists. There are elements of prog in all of Genesis' albums; just because they found the magic formula for how to appeal to a large fanbase doesn't mean they suddenly stopped being "prog", whatever that even means.
Obviously I mean, Genesis' last prog album. I never said that their pop stuff was bad, I enjoy some of it, but I don't think it's nearly as good as their 1970-80 output. You can't compare "Invisible Touch" to "Selling England by the Pound" or "We Can't Dance" to "Trick of the Tail."
Duke is a great introductory album to prog. It has songs with both prog and pop elements.
Edited by Old King Cole - February 21 2017 at 09:53
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Posted: February 21 2017 at 09:43
Old King Cole wrote:
I personally think it should be regarded as the last prog album.
I hope you actually mean "Genesis' last prog album" here, and not the last prog album ever made. And even then, that is debatable. Prog = progressive, moving forwards. We need to get rid of the snobbish attitude that radio friendly = regression for prog artists. There are elements of prog in all of Genesis' albums; just because they found the magic formula for how to appeal to a large fanbase doesn't mean they suddenly stopped being "prog", whatever that even means.
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Personally, I can live without it.
