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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2017 at 01:50
Afficher limage dorigine

Love that drumming. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbtmWItMr-Q
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2017 at 22:22
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Some other ones are Brainstorm's Jo Koinzer, Dedalus's Enrico Grosso, and-around PA-Dzyan's Peter Giger. These guys should be household words, they are so good!

Thanks, Doug! 

I forgot about Morris Pert from Brand X!  I was lucky to see him in 1978, he was a fantastic drummer and percussionist who also played some keyboards! 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2017 at 05:27
Some other ones are Brainstorm's Jo Koinzer, Dedalus's Enrico Grosso, and-around PA-Dzyan's Peter Giger. These guys should be household words, they are so good!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2017 at 17:16
Bruce Gary wasn't a prog drummer but he had a knack for creating memorable drum beats.  He wrote the drum line to The Knack's "My Sharona." which beat nails into Disco's coffin.   Bruce Gary played with Dylan, Stephen Stills, Bette Midler, Jack Bruce, Sheryl Crow, members of The Doors, Albert King, John Lee Hooker, and Rod Stewart.   

RIP Bruce Gary!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2017 at 17:13
A young player who I suspect is not yet as widely appreciated as he will be before long is Kenny Grohowski. I hadn't run across him until this year when I picked up two albums he drums on (Zorn's The Painted Bird and Rez Abbasi and Junction's Behind the Vibration). It seems to me that he's a genius, and a complete master of both jazz and metal idioms.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2017 at 17:08
In common with others, most of the examples I'd pick are under-recognised due to playing in bands that don't seem to be well known or much discussed, at least in Anglophone circles. Three currently active players who spring to mind are Stephane Galland of Aka Moon, Ivan Fedotov of Vespero, and Xavi Reija from Barcelona (Xavi Reija Trio etc).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2017 at 16:51
^ Those are some great suggestions Saperlipopette!

By coincidence I'm listening to Christensen now (on Garbarek's Afric Pepperbird). I was also lucky enough to see him play a small club a few years ago - The Vortex in London with Jakob Bro's band - and he was spellbinding to watch, playing on a smallish kit and frequently hitting the cymbals with his hands and fingers, something I don't recall seeing before. A true Zen master of percussion. Among European improvising drummers of that generation I'd mention Han Bennink in the same breath.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2017 at 15:40
Drummers I love that are naturally just as underappreciated as the bands they played in. Skipping all those mostly into pure jazz:

Gérard Pons - Moving Gelatine Plates ... well it's two obscure "french Canterbury"-albums so its no mystery that he rarely gets a mention but pure listening joy. Playful and energetic.
Giulio Capiozzo - Area's percussionist wildman.
Jon Christensen - Well enough known but it depends on how you look at it. His lyrical, spacious but still kinda busy percussioning on Terje Rypdal and Jan Garbarek's early 70's albums (+his 1971 soloalbum Underwear) can actually give me goosebumps. 

Among the more known progbands I think Le Orme's Michi Dei Rossi is somewhat overlooked. Even on their gentler or popper stuff he always manages to create an interesting and atmospheric space without ever getting in the way of the melody. Quite an achievement on its own merits.  

- finally the drummer I'd like to think I would have been: Daniel Denis in the early years of Univers Zero. Drum-patterns and grooves so integrated in the composition they can almost go unnoticed, but ever present at the same time. 
  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2017 at 13:09
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The title of " the most underappreciated" is subjective at best and one persons opinion is no more valid than anyone else's. However, what is certain is this thread should be moved out of the main prog music lounge and into the "Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation" lounge where it belongs.

Everything is subjective, even this opinion. It is the very nature of any statement we utter.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2017 at 12:24
The title of " the most underappreciated" is subjective at best and one persons opinion is no more valid than anyone else's. However, what is certain is this thread should be moved out of the main prog music lounge and into the "Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation" lounge where it belongs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2017 at 12:05
IMO one i feel as of today a seriously underrated drummer today is Mick Tucker of the Sweet, whom is known of but regarding how ahead of the game he was in the 70s and the little that is spoken of him on forums like drummerworld, and sites like it. he is probably the most underrated powerhouse drummer -whom plays in a pretty famous band.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2017 at 05:51
Somebody already mentioned Barriemore Barlow, but I like to add Andy Ward, Jan Fride and Mel Pritchard.

Nobody ever names these drummers as their favorite.
 
Also Merv Pepler, Conrad Prince (Rad), Stuart Fischer (Stu), all three of Ozric Tentacles. They can handle the strangest rhythms and tempos.
 
That being said, I really have to listen to Embryo to know what we're talking about here.
I love underappreciated stuff much more than the overappreciated stuff (Yes, Genesis, Rush, etc.)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2017 at 00:58
Whilst the O.P. is stating that the amazing Christian Burchard, drummer extraordinaire, of the German band Embryo, flies under the radar, many misread the topic and suggest other names. Well, I simply adore the Embryo albums I own (I do need to invest in more) but in my current Metallic state-of-mind - I'm re-discovering what I've missed out on, I'm being brought back to my 80's self, and I'm really loving Anthrax. The most melodic 'Thrash' pioneers from the classic 80's era. I see the usual Drummer names mentioned - Lars Ulrich (very good, not great), Dave Lombardo (fast, intricate and really pushing the drums a few steps further (though I've never been 'sold' on Slayer, not back then, not now.....) and, whilst Megadeth could never keep a band member for too long (thanks Dave), Anthrax (despite their suggestive 'nasty' name) are just brilliant.
Drummer Charlie Benante is superb. That's what happens when you're from New York............
My dream is to catch one of their gigs, in New York. It wouldn't get any better than this. Charlie is the most 'sensible' Thrash drummer there is, yet no-one talks about him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2017 at 22:08
I usually suggest the late Pierre Moerlen in these types of lists.  He was amazing! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2017 at 10:46
Hi,

I think that Mani Neumeier deserves to be mentioned here.

When you listen to Guru Guru's albums, all the way to "Dance of the Flames", that drumming is incredible, and he is not just "keeping time", and I once read on an interview, that he joked he did not keep time, that he liked soloing with the guitar player which was more fun. And later, doing some thrash metal, is also rather amazing, considering he knows that he can fly all over and the guitar player, no one knows which planet he is on half the time!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2016 at 14:21
Sticking strictly with prog, a couple choices for me would be:

Pierre van der Linden (Focus)
Barriemore Barlow (Jethro Tull)
Chester Thompson (Frank Zappa & Genesis)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2016 at 11:55
Ernest "Boom" Carter - If known at all, it's probably for being the drummer on Bruce Springsteen's "Born to run".
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2016 at 11:52
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I think all the folks that passed through Embryo are fantastic musicians.
The thing is, most of them are 'unknown' really, and those that are familiar with them do appreciate them.

That's true. Just think of Roman Bunka (who is my favourite guitar player) or bass player Dave King.
Having said, I only have 4 LP's of theirs :
Opal
Steig Aus
Rocksession
Bad Heads And Bad Cats
........and I love them all. Especially Rocksession, with Jimmy Jackson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2016 at 10:20
I guess that in prog and jazz fusion it's almost a prerequisite for drummers to be high calibre players, so talented rhythm sections are really commonplace. Unfortunately that leads people to become generally apathetic towards some really great technical players, unless they happened to be in popular groups. 

One personal favourite drummer of mine that came to mind that no one talks about is Gonzalo Farrugia (had to look up his name) of Crucis. He really grooves on Los Delirios Del Mariscal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2016 at 09:53
Triumvirat's drummer Hans Bathelt is criminally under-rated and appreciated. Another one that never is mentioned in polls, etc. But, boy, he could play!




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