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Posted: April 12 2016 at 13:20
Blacksword wrote:
XTC = Excellent, but never really regarded them as prog in any way.
IMO they could be included here as prog related like The Who or Led Zeppelin. Neither one of them are prog rock either yet they are on PA as are many other bands that aren't any more 'proggy' than XTC.
One wonders what specific criteria is used when adding a band under that genre.
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Posted: April 10 2016 at 15:11
You can add Thomas Dolby to the list. I mean if ASIA can be added on the membership alone, since the music is far from progressive, then Dolby absolutely deserves it. The Flat Earth is an amazingly progressive album.
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Posted: April 10 2016 at 09:37
If Iron Maiden is considered prog-related, and XTC is not even considered prog-related, then I'm very confused with such a state of things. Some people may be metal fans or punk-rooted bands haters who block more ambitious post punk/new wave acts in their classification as prog. Kate Bush is on Prog Archives. Here today, I read that XTC doesn't deserve to be prog-related. But in my opinion, it should be classified as 'crossover prog'. Their music is almost as arty, innovative and complex as Talking Heads. Even if it is (in some albums) more pop-oriented, it's never below a level of sophistication comparable to Kate Bush. Let's be more tolerant, not sectarian !
Their earlier albums were a bit more angular than the shiny pop of the later days. More punkish than proggy; then they went more for a "big music" sound with drums overwhelming things, like on Wire and Drum and Black Sea. The XTC that I like came next - more song based and acoustic than earlier stuff.
Still, nothing proggy at all.....I liken their early music to Ultravox in that it started punk but then leaned more toward the New Wave. XTC graduated from than and became pop music icons. Is there really anything prog about English Settlement or Oranges and Lemons?
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 12:43
SteveG wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
XTC were one of my favorite bands. They were quite complex but I never even thought of them as prog or even prog related (related via whom?).
In PA's list of definitions for prog related, I 'll go with No. 7.
#7 is possibly the most important one, honestly. Unfortunately, that relies on personal points of view that may or may not be prejudiced. (i.e. "It's not prog, cuz... it's not prog! It just isn't! Shut up!"). Still, that's why we have to trust our admins to be as objective as they can, and why the decision isn't made by goofy collaborators like me.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 07:32
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I think it's because Pedro believes that PA should be a progressive music site instead of a Prog Rock site. It'd be interesting for sure, but that also entails everyone around him agreeing with such an overhaul.
Progressive music exist everywhere, not only in prog. He's definitely right about that, but bringing in every act who pushed the musical envelope would mean including hip hop, trance, bebop, reggae, post punk, blues, funk, modern classical and the works, which would defeat the purpose of the idea behind Prog Archives.
Sure they're just pre-fabricated boxes and tags we arbitrarily throw around in order to navigate in music, but they're also the reason why we have Prog Archives to begin with. The boxes. For better and for worse.
I would argue that The Big Express is more of a step back to Black Sea than a progression from The English Settlement. Now that is a proggy album.
I think it's because Pedro believes that PA should be a progressive music site instead of a Prog Rock site. It'd be interesting for sure, but that also entails everyone around him agreeing with such an overhaul.
Progressive music exist everywhere, not only in prog. He's definitely right about that, but bringing in every act who pushed the musical envelope would mean including hip hop, trance, bebop, reggae, post punk, blues, funk, modern classical and the works, which would defeat the purpose of the idea behind Prog Archives.
Sure they're just pre-fabricated boxes and tags we arbitrarily throw around in order to navigate in music, but they're also the reason why we have Prog Archives to begin with. The boxes. For better and for worse.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 06:31
moshkito wrote:
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moshkito wrote:
Hi,
From "English Settlement" all the way to "Nonesuch", is where my tastes lie. I still think that "Big Express" is a progressive music masterpiece that should be listed in the top 100 of this board, but I'm not sure that "fans" here like to listen to something that is not, generally, repetitive at all, and whose heart is not just a box of paints!
The Big Express is actually one of my least favorites, and that's speaking as a longtime fan. Too much banging around and noisy sea chanties for my tastes. Skylarking, on the other hand, I think could make a legitimate run for the distinction of "great prog album".
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Big Express is a good album but I don't see how it's a "progressive music masterpiece" - it's not even XTC's masterpiece. Just because it has mellotron doesn't mean it should be in PA's Top 100.
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Posted: November 06 2014 at 22:26
HolyMoly wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
From "English Settlement" all the way to "Nonesuch", is where my tastes lie. I still think that "Big Express" is a progressive music masterpiece that should be listed in the top 100 of this board, but I'm not sure that "fans" here like to listen to something that is not, generally, repetitive at all, and whose heart is not just a box of paints!
The Big Express is actually one of my least favorites, and that's speaking as a longtime fan. Too much banging around and noisy sea chanties for my tastes. Skylarking, on the other hand, I think could make a legitimate run for the distinction of "great prog album". (in spite of my earlier post; now that I think about it, they're more proggy than I thought... but still, a hard sell for the site I'll admit).
Big Express is also one of my least faves by them....I also prefer Skylarking, Mummer, and Oranges and Lemons.
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Posted: November 06 2014 at 19:35
HolyMoly wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
From "English Settlement" all the way to "Nonesuch", is where my tastes lie. I still think that "Big Express" is a progressive music masterpiece that should be listed in the top 100 of this board, but I'm not sure that "fans" here like to listen to something that is not, generally, repetitive at all, and whose heart is not just a box of paints!
The Big Express is actually one of my least favorites, and that's speaking as a longtime fan. Too much banging around and noisy sea chanties for my tastes. Skylarking, on the other hand, I think could make a legitimate run for the distinction of "great prog album".
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"Skylarking" was a nice album, but I thought that Sodd Rungens producing was not a good match for XTC. Have to hear it again, as my memory of it is not clear anymore.
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Posted: November 06 2014 at 19:32
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
From "English Settlement" all the way to "Nonesuch", is where my tastes lie. I still think that "Big Express" is a progressive music masterpiece that should be listed in the top 100 of this board, but I'm not sure that "fans" here like to listen to something that is not, generally, repetitive at all, and whose heart is not just a box of paints!
The Big Express is actually one of my least favorites, and that's speaking as a longtime fan. Too much banging around and noisy sea chanties for my tastes. Skylarking, on the other hand, I think could make a legitimate run for the distinction of "great prog album". (in spite of my earlier post; now that I think about it, they're more proggy than I thought... but still, a hard sell for the site I'll admit).
Edited by HolyMoly - November 06 2014 at 19:34
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Blacksword wrote:
awesome man.... just awesome!
