The fathers of Prog Metal

Dean wrote: progbethyname wrote: I vote (other) for Dream Theater. So what is your definiton of "fathers" presactly?

When I think paterfamilias I think of someone that holds the most water or that is a large acting force that ultimately makes a very big lasting impression. Dream Theater started in 1985 but didn't get known till around 1992 with the incredible IMAGES AND WORDS release. It seems that so many bands like to try and take examples of Dream Theater's music from 1992 and on. They are the most influential band in the genre easily. I can't count how many modern prog metal bands take after albums like their IMAGES AND WORDS and OCTAVARIUM album. It's insane. The genre is owned by Dream Theater in a lot of ways. Bold claim? Maybe, but I know they are huge front runners for prog metal. We cannot deny that. :)

DREAM THEATER easy!!!!! I know they did start as soon as some of the other greats, but they made the genre for what it has now become today. I would say Iron Maiden, but their early stuff is more heavy Metal not prog and Rush is in No way metal sounding to me. Queensrÿche haven't had a long enough legacy to be considered Godfathers even though they really helped kickstart the genre. Fates Warning? Na. I think not.

I vote (other) for Dream Theater.

There is no one band.

tamijo wrote: Dean wrote: ...all the bands suggested thus far (except Ironing Maiden of course) may possibly be the fathers of Hard and/or Heavy Rock or Metal or Heavy Prog, but they are the Grandfathers of Prog Metal. The Father of Prog Metal would be a Metal band, not a hard rock band or a loud Prog band.   Rightly so,   But the problem is, that its as impossible to define if a Hard rock band is metal, as it is to define, if a 70's band is prog. ; most sources define hard rock and metal as beeing basicly one same thing. Zep Sabbath and so on, is to most a first wave.   http://www.ehow.com/facts_5142598_definition-heavy-metal-music.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/liste_groupe-indexStyle-Heavy_Metal-l-en.html ect. ect.   more about the subject here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music

Edited by Dean - April 30 2013 at 09:11

Dean wrote: ...all the bands suggested thus far (except Ironing Maiden of course) may possibly be the fathers of Hard and/or Heavy Rock or Metal or Heavy Prog, but they are the Grandfathers of Prog Metal. The Father of Prog Metal would be a Metal band, not a hard rock band or a loud Prog band.

Rightly so,

Edited by tamijo - April 30 2013 at 08:55

...all the bands suggested thus far (except Ironing Maiden of course) may possibly be the fathers of Hard and/or Heavy Rock or Metal or Heavy Prog, but they are the Grandfathers of Prog Metal. The Father of Prog Metal would be a Metal band, not a hard rock band or a loud Prog band.

Edited by Dean - April 30 2013 at 08:19

Blue Oyster Cult, Wishbone Ash and Deep Purple are the first names in my mind, but also Colosseum nd Uriah Heep.

Well, that slice of British sarcasm fell on tone-deaf ears.

Dean wrote: Other. Ironing Maiden.   None of the other suggestions thus far are Metal.     However, wait for someone to suggest:, , Atomic Rooster, Grand Funk Railroad, The Kinks, King Crimson, Budgie, Scorpions, Judas Priest, Uriah Heep...

 Iron Butterfly: Psychedlic and Heavy Metal but not considered  Prog

Blue Cheer:Hard Rock nothing more

Steppenwolf:

Atomic Rooster: But are they Metal???

Grand Funk Railroad: Hard Rock and Blues Rock

The Kinks:

Ahh, this next one is interesting:

King Crimson: Sure they had heavy material but were they angry enough, any concepts??

Budgie: Metal but not "Proggy" enough

Scorpions:

Judas Priest: Good one there but Caress of Steel and Fly by Night came out before Sad Wings

Uriah Heep: Heavy Prog as they are labeled here on PA




Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - April 30 2013 at 07:13

Are we looking for the fathers of......... or the first ?