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Dayvenkirq 
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 Posted: September 03 2013 at 00:19 |
^ Oh, no, you are just toying around with the details to make prog metal look like it came from the US. 
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progbethyname
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Posted: September 03 2013 at 00:13 |
 Dayvenkirq wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
Metal---Sabbath, Judas Priest, The Scorpions and Rainbow
Prog metal--Fates Warning, Queensr˙che and Iron Maiden. For the 90's it's Dream Theater all the way where by they re-tooled and gave a whole new meaning and standard to the prog metal genre in general.
The origins are really that simple, since the prog metal movement did start in America first. ;) |
 ... Not according to your lists. Iron Maiden were there before Fates Warning and Queensr˙che. |
Don't pay attention to the Metal list. It's a whole other category and the U.K have their stamp all over that. ;)
Prog Metal is Mainly Fates and Queensr˙che. Maiden (yes from the U.K) started playing a couple of years before both the ryche and Fates (1980) but Maiden's first 2 albums were not very prog at all. The albums with D'anno only had wisps of progressive tendancies. It wasn't till 1985's Somewhere in time where they truly captured more prog-related compositions. ;)
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: September 03 2013 at 00:03 |
progbethyname wrote:
Metal---Sabbath, Judas Priest, The Scorpions and Rainbow
Prog metal--Fates Warning, Queensr˙che and Iron Maiden. For the 90's it's Dream Theater all the way where by they re-tooled and gave a whole new meaning and standard to the prog metal genre in general.
The origins are really that simple, since the prog metal movement did start in America first. ;) |
... Not according to your lists. Iron Maiden were there before Fates Warning and Queensr˙che.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - September 03 2013 at 00:04
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progbethyname
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 23:59 |
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Metal---Sabbath, Judas Priest, The Scorpions and Rainbow
Prog metal--Fates Warning, Queensr˙che and Iron Maiden. For the 90's it's Dream Theater all the way where by they re-tooled and gave a whole new meaning and standard to the prog metal genre in general.
The orgins are really that simple, since the prog metal movement did start in America first. ;)
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progbethyname
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 23:54 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Between the two.....Rush had more influence on prog metal. Black Sabbath probably had much more influence on Death or Black Metal than Prog Metal. No mention of BS in the PA definition of Prog Metal. |
Exactly. 
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 23:24 |
dr wu23 wrote:
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^^^1974/75? Weren't they a headliner by that time? |
Perhaps....but they opened for Jeff Beck that night. |
I saw BOC in '78 at a "Day on the Green" at Oakland and they were 3rd on the bill, ahead of AC/DC but behind Journey and Ted Nugent. AC/DC (with Bon Scott) and BOC completely blew away the headliners!
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verslibre
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 18:19 |
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Awesome, nonetheless. Was Jeff still playing with Bogert/Appice, or Middleton/Chen/Bailey?
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 17:01 |
verslibre wrote:
^^^1974/75? Weren't they a headliner by that time? |
Perhaps....but they opened for Jeff Beck that night.
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verslibre
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 14:59 |
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^^^1974/75? Weren't they a headliner by that time?
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 14:31 |
verslibre wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
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BOC is definitely one of the bands. They lyrically had the SF/horror concepts down, at least. |
Great hard rock band.....just saw them about a month ago in my local area. Only 2 original members left but they were still pretty good for old men.
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I agree, they still bring it. Glad I saw them when Allen was still in the band. |
I saw them around 1974/5 when they opened up for Jeff Beck Group in Chicago.
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Catcher10
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 09:53 |
Between the two.....Rush had more influence on prog metal. Black Sabbath probably had much more influence on Death or Black Metal than Prog Metal. No mention of BS in the PA definition of Prog Metal.
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Dean
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 08:24 |
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^ I'd say Judas Priest also contribute to Power Metal's origins, but as you say - another website can argue that.
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What?
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Jbird
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 07:59 |
I'd agree that you can't point to just one band.
the '80s bands like Iron Maiden/Metallica/Savatage/Queensryche/Fates Warning/etc are a good starting point for the 'Images & Words' school of prog metal, though.
And I'd argue that Iron Maiden are the fathers of the Euro-style of Power Metal....though that is an argument for another forum/website.
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sukmytoe
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 01:59 |
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For me it was the combination of three bands - Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep and Deep Purple. When I listen to Dream Theater I am reminded a great deal of Deep Purple for some reason - more so perhaps when I listen to Deep Purple live as opposed to in the studio.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 01:58 |
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This terrible thread was definitely worth reviving
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verslibre
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Posted: September 02 2013 at 01:49 |
dr wu23 wrote:
verslibre wrote:
BOC is definitely one of the bands. They lyrically had the SF/horror concepts down, at least. |
Great hard rock band.....just saw them about a month ago in my local area. Only 2 original members left but they were still pretty good for old men.
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I agree, they still bring it. Glad I saw them when Allen was still in the band.
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 01 2013 at 23:01 |
verslibre wrote:
BOC is definitely one of the bands. They lyrically had the SF/horror concepts down, at least. |
Great hard rock band.....just saw them about a month ago in my local area. Only 2 original members left but they were still pretty good for old men.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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verslibre
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Posted: September 01 2013 at 18:23 |
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BOC is definitely one of the bands. They lyrically had the SF/horror concepts down, at least.
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octopus-4
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Posted: September 01 2013 at 13:52 |
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What about Blue Oyster Cult? I think them and Uriah Heep are the precursor of prog-metal, but it can be my ignorance of the genre.
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moshkito
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Posted: September 01 2013 at 13:23 |
Stool Man wrote:
Rush as the fathers of Prog Metal? I consider Black Sabbath were moreso. What do you think? |
Such BS!
Black Sabbath became one of the better known of these metal things, but there were already quite a few of them running around, in the Bay Area, LA, NY and London ... BS just had the name that was recognizable right away, and got everyone's funnel going!
It's like telling me that Quatermass was not better than BS's first albums ... and the first piece alone, was an example of some of the metal style that was already around. Even JRD paid a tribute to the one great piece in that album!
Spooky Tooth, was better and more interesting than the bullsh*t that BS sang about! LA and SF were littered with many of these bands that were hard and then some. Even good old Iggy and the Stooges makes BS just another cheap rock band! Budgie might also fit in this area. Heck, even the Edgar Broughton Band, was hard enough that no one in this PA here can enjoy any of their albums! Talk about jaded! And they had some serious political stuff in many pieces, while BS had topical material at best!
Rush, for my tastes, is the father of the "working class heroes" as John Lennon used to say! Cheaper music for the masses! And while I would not exactly criticize their musicianship, I question the validity of it all other than their fame ... !!!
Edited by moshkito - September 01 2013 at 13:28
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