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dr wu23 
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Posted: May 25 2014 at 15:10 |
I like Reed for the most part but the combination of the two sounds a bit ridiculous to me.
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Posted: May 25 2014 at 10:44 |
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Metallica is a great band, and Lou Reed too. But Lulu is terrible for me. This is neither music nor poetry. This is rubbish. Imo.
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Posted: November 13 2011 at 09:59 |
This one's going to be interesting - I'm a Lou Reed completist, he's from my hometown....grew up a few blocks down the road from where he's from. I even dug the new age record he put out a few years ago....I even dug Rock n Roll Heart! At the same time, I've always hated the whole Metallica big sound scene. It's going to be like those old Reese's peanut butter cups commericals for both parties - Hey, you put Lou in my Metallica! No, you put Metallica into my Lou! I'm overwhelmed with new music right now.....plus, I'm just not ready for it. I'll wait until copies start flooding into my used record shop to pick up a copy.
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Posted: November 10 2011 at 18:28 |
I'm looking forward to their next collaboration with Laurie Anderson. 
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Posted: November 10 2011 at 18:19 |
 Guldbamsen wrote:
^I wasn´t really expecting him to change course
I´m going to stream Lulu tonight, and as a warm up I´m listening to Rock n´ Roll Animal. Maybe the best live album ever!!! One of those desert island albums for sure.
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I love that album also, btw ... and still have it!
But listen to it today ... and again ... and notice that Lou's "singing" in that album is ... not really singing, and he is really being the beat poet that he is. I wonder if he does the same thing in the album with Metalica, which I bet he does, and this might be the part that Metalica fans may not like ... no teen angst? ... wow ... what happened to Metalica! But it tells you that most fans are not kind to the very musicians and their desire to do different things and learn new things. That part is bad ... really bad, and fans have no right to tell a band who they should be.
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Posted: November 10 2011 at 18:09 |
Nightfly wrote:
Surprised to see there's no thread yet on the Lou Reed and Metallica collaboration Lulu. ...
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Not gonna see it either. One is not progressive and the other is not progressive. And the NY scene is not progressive and will never be considered such, because London is! ... got it?
That said, I have to admit that it will be a curious listen for me, which I bet my compadres here will trash me for senselessly ... even though I am not a Metalica fan at all. Over rated band and then some! But I like Lou Reed's spirit and his way of speaking out, and if he can do what he sees with this band, it should be interesting.
Remenber that Lou is no stranger to hard metal rock bands, as in NY these have been a dime a dozen for 40 years, so seeing this happen is not that much a surprise ... as it might be for rock fans that have no idea what the NY scene has created over the years and some of the more artistic and off the wall bands and artists. And NY, regardless of what PA says, is one of the most progressive places there is in the world for all arts, and a parallel to London. Only a blind man, can not see this. And one that can't hear the music, either!
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Posted: November 07 2011 at 08:30 |
Lulu is trash - it's not a good Metallica album, it's not a good Lou Reed album, and it's a failure as a mashup.
Conceptually it's just a lousy retread of Berlin with more scatological lyrics and a metal backing track. I'd rather just listen to Berlin again if it's all the same to Lou.
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 22:30 |
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"The View" is absolutely wretched, but I can't speak for the rest of the album. I can't say that I'm interested in listening to the whole thing, though.
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 22:30 |
Truth, I think your review is the first time I've ever hear the phrase "ceaselessly dissing"
I plan on listening to this sometime, and I really have no idea what to expect.
Edited by Eärendil - November 06 2011 at 22:30
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 18:10 |
The Truth wrote:
Alright, glad we got that clear.
I don't like being called narrow-minded at all, if I came across as a bit of an ass, I apologize.
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It's all good; it just came off as if anyone that didn't enjoy the album was a narrow-minded nitwit, which of course would be unfair.
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 17:48 |
TheMasterMofo wrote:
The Truth wrote:
My point was that you can not like an album but that alone certainly does not warrant a single star. You have to look at other factors, like artistic significance, how well it's played, etc. Something can be brilliant and still not appeal to certain people, that's my point. Obviously my star scale is different than yours and that's alright.
And furthermore, narrow-mindedness is saying "I listened to it for twenty seconds and hate it." That's not giving an honest listen.
Narrow-mindedness has nothing to do with not liking material, it's not liking material and instantly labeling it sh*t.
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I can definitely agree that 20 seconds of listening could fall under the "narrow-minded" label, but then again, I can listen to N'Sync or Gucci Mane for 20 seconds and pretty much know that I'm not going to like it. I just wanted to make sure that not everyone giving it 1 or 2 stars was being labeled "narrow-minded" because there's definitely a legitimate argument for this album being low-rated, based on my first two full listens.
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Alright, glad we got that clear. I don't like being called narrow-minded at all, if I came across as a bit of an ass, I apologize.
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 16:12 |
The Truth wrote:
My point was that you can not like an album but that alone certainly does not warrant a single star. You have to look at other factors, like artistic significance, how well it's played, etc. Something can be brilliant and still not appeal to certain people, that's my point. Obviously my star scale is different than yours and that's alright.
And furthermore, narrow-mindedness is saying "I listened to it for twenty seconds and hate it." That's not giving an honest listen.
Narrow-mindedness has nothing to do with not liking material, it's not liking material and instantly labeling it sh*t.
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I can definitely agree that 20 seconds of listening could fall under the "narrow-minded" label, but then again, I can listen to N'Sync or Gucci Mane for 20 seconds and pretty much know that I'm not going to like it. I just wanted to make sure that not everyone giving it 1 or 2 stars was being labeled "narrow-minded" because there's definitely a legitimate argument for this album being low-rated, based on my first two full listens.
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 16:00 |
TheMasterMofo wrote:
lucas wrote:
must be that your average progster is close-minded ? Just a supposition.
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The Truth wrote:
Pretty much what I'm guessing, I don't know why people have such a hard time with spoken word, sometimes it's more emotional than singing, as in Reed's case. Man, it shows the blatant narrow-mindedness of some people.
EDIT: My review got it above Load, Reload and St. Anger. Where it deserves to be.
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What's more blatantly narrow-minded is believing that just because someone doesn't like this album means that they're narrow-minded.
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My point was that you can not like an album but that alone certainly does not warrant a single star. You have to look at other factors, like artistic significance, how well it's played, etc. Something can be brilliant and still not appeal to certain people, that's my point. Obviously my star scale is different than yours and that's alright. And furthermore, narrow-mindedness is saying "I listened to it for twenty seconds and hate it." That's not giving an honest listen. Narrow-mindedness has nothing to do with not liking material, it's not liking material and instantly labeling it sh*t.
Edited by The Truth - November 06 2011 at 16:03
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 15:14 |
I wouldn't call a food critic narrow-minded if he ate a meal of dog feces and decided that it tasted terrible. I wouldn't say, "Oh, you're just not used to eating sh*t yet. You're not giving it a fair chance!" Some stuff just tastes like sh*t for some people. I won't give it 1 star on my review, but I most certainly won't be giving it 4 or 5, either. It'll probably get 2 stars from me because that's what I see it as: something fans of Lou Reed or Metallica need to at least listen to, but not something that I view as pleasant listening material.
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 14:46 |
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 14:42 |
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^ I gave it four stars.
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 14:38 |
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^But here on PA 10 people gave a one star rating. Even the second album of Torman Maxt (which I gave a 2) have a better rating. Damn, Even St. Anger have a better rating!
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I'll soon put that right when I do my 5 star review.  Well perhaps not but i think a 3 star review will be forthcoming.
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 13:52 |
TheMasterMofo wrote:
lucas wrote:
must be that your average progster is close-minded ? Just a supposition. |
The Truth wrote:
Pretty much what I'm guessing, I don't know why people have such a hard time with spoken word, sometimes it's more emotional than singing, as in Reed's case. Man, it shows the blatant narrow-mindedness of some people.
EDIT: My review got it above Load, Reload and St. Anger. Where it deserves to be.
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What's more blatantly narrow-minded is believing that just because someone doesn't like this album means that they're narrow-minded.
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if someone who listens regularly to prog rock doesn't like an album of a different genre than he is used to listen to, the first reaction is to think that he/she is close-minded.
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 13:39 |
lucas wrote:
must be that your average progster is close-minded ? Just a supposition.
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The Truth wrote:
Pretty much what I'm guessing, I don't know why people have such a hard time with spoken word, sometimes it's more emotional than singing, as in Reed's case. Man, it shows the blatant narrow-mindedness of some people.
EDIT: My review got it above Load, Reload and St. Anger. Where it deserves to be.
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What's more blatantly narrow-minded is believing that just because someone doesn't like this album means that they're narrow-minded.
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Posted: November 06 2011 at 12:46 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
I guess people don´t like the vocals, but prefer the likes of Eloy and Dream Theater- where the guys can really sing
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Pretty much what I'm guessing, I don't know why people have such a hard time with spoken word, sometimes it's more emotional than singing, as in Reed's case. Man, it shows the blatant narrow-mindedness of some people. EDIT: My review got it above Load, Reload and St. Anger. Where it deserves to be.
Edited by The Truth - November 06 2011 at 12:55
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