Lou Reed / Metallica - Lulu
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Topic: Lou Reed / Metallica - Lulu
Posted By: Nightfly
Subject: Lou Reed / Metallica - Lulu
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 08:42
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Surprised to see there's no thread yet on the Lou Reed and Metallica collaboration Lulu. Anyone listened yet? I've been playing it a bit over the last week and after initail reservations I've got to admit it's very good. Better in fact and certainly more groundbreaking than anything Metallica have done in the last 20 years. It's recognisably Metallica and yet it's not. They've come up with some of their best riffs in a long time yet it's simpler (genereally speaking), incredibly heavy riffs often accompanied by a drone (which works really well) with Reed's often almost spoken delivery over the top.
It shouldn't work but it really does.
I was going to review it and noticed it's not listed under Metallica yet. Don't want to tread on any team toes so I've not added it myself as I wanted to enquire whether this is considered more a Lou Reed album and therefore not valid for PA? My own thoughts is that it's equally a Metallica release and should be on here. Any thoughts?
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 08:50
forum_posts.asp?TID=82212&KW=worst+album" rel="nofollow - Oh but... ------------- 
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Nightfly wrote:Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 09:05
| Doh! No wonder i didn't find that. tend to ignore these "Worst album" threads. |
Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 09:22
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For me, that album is a Lou Reed album, with Metallica acting as a support band. Lulu can be streamed here: http://www.loureedmetallica.com/listen-to-lulu.php" rel="nofollow - http://www.loureedmetallica.com/listen-to-lulu.php EDIT: And you can review it now! See: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35265" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35265 ------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 10:53
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I know what you're saying, being a pretty big Reed fan and somewhat of a Metallica fan, I found the album an interesting collaboration and an ambitious shot at something new. Sure it falters at times but that's to be expected.
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 11:57
| ^ It's certainly going to be controversial. I'm sure many Reed fans will hate it as will many Metallica fans. You're right, it does falter at times - it's certainly not perfect, but I feel it's a worthwhile collaboration. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 12:16
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I´m really looking forward to this one. I love both artists, well maybe Lou a bit more. I just wish he´d sing more these days. He seems more into talking than vocal melodies these days. It´s not like he was a major rock n roll tenor back in the day though, - in fact I´d call him an anti-singer, but lately he seems to have ignored melody completely in his vocal lines - and focusses entirely on the words. I´m still pretty psyched about this release though  And Paul, I feel much the same about those "worst of" threads. Feels like an open invitation to those that only feed off negativity and the sheer thrill of putting other people´s tastes down  All you need is love baby!!! ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 14:01
| ^ David, he doesn't do much singing on this one either and your observations on his vocals pretty much sum up Lulu. Nevertheless, enjoy! |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 14:22
^I wasn´t really expecting him to change course I´m going to stream Lulu tonight, and as a warm up I´m listening to Rock n´ Roll Animal. Maybe the best live album ever!!! One of those desert island albums for sure. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: tarkus1980
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 14:37
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The album is really really terrible. ------------- "History of Rock Written by the Losers." |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 15:58
This is the first time I read something good about this album.  I want to hear it, now.
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 16:32
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I like it. Probably my favorite thing Metallica have been involved with - as for Lou Reed, I'd say this is on par with "The Raven". I find it a bit long (plus it has a couple of stinkers - like The View and Iced Honey), but I understand there is a story to be told, etc. Also, James Hetfield "singing" is quite unnecessary. The second disc is my favorite. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 18:47
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I thought the first track was unbearable towards the end so it wasn't really a good opener but it definitely goes nowhere but up from there. Disc two is amazing.
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 23:39
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I've streamed the album now, against my better judgment, and after the
first listen I'm really not digging it at all. I've never really given
Lou Reed's stuff much of a chance other than Walk on the Wild Side
because his style has never appealed to me. The whole spoken word thing has never been my type of thing; it's why "Be" is probably my least favorite PoS album. I'd far prefer Gildenlowe's spoken word stuff over Lou Reed's, though. He's off key at times, his voice drones, sounds like an old man chortling along, etc. And while I obviously have nothing against old men, I don't want to listen to them ramble on in my free time in an attempt to have enjoyment. If I want to listen to listen to spoken word, I'd rather listen to something like this: If I want to listen to Metallica, I'd rather listen to something like this: Personally I don't want those two mixed in the way it was mixed. I commend Metallica on trying something out there and different, and others are free to enjoy it without me looking down on them, but I doubt I'm ever going to quite enjoy it. I'll give it at least 4 or 5 more listens before I write it off for a while. |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 23:47
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What sucks most about this is how it'll make all those damn Metallica fans misjudge Lou. I think this whole shenanigan was just his 2011 take on Metal Machine Music. Folks who love Metallica, yet haven't heard of Lou Reed will figure all the guy's material is like that and blow off truly great records like Transformer, Berlin, The Blue Mask, Magic and Loss, or hell - even some VU - all of which trumps Metallica for my heart (in a minor way, I suppose, but still). I hated all of Lulu. I don't blame Lou - he's a bedraggled fop these days. I don't blame Metallica either. Lars "Suck-a-dick-for-cash" Ulrich would've done anything for some more infamy-quenching limelight. If Metallica ever thought they were pushing the boundaries of rebellion, obviously they ignored Lou's little 1975 'treat'. Naw, Mr. Reed's not even one of my top 10 favorite artists, but he's up there. (23rd or so).
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 00:26
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http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/the-worst-album-all-time" rel="nofollow - http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/the-worst-album-all-time
I got 20 seconds into the song. This is literally the worst bit of music I have heard all year. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 01:27
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I never heard of the album till now so I assumed judging by the thread title it was a collaboration between Lou Reed, Metallica and the singer Lulu! Now there's an album I love to hear. ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 04:13
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 05:19
You know you wanna make me sh
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Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 06:53
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So, EVERYONE rated (hated?) the album with a 1 star? There's something wrong here... ------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 06:55
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Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 06:59
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^But here on PA 10 people gave a one star rating. Even the second album of Torman Maxt (which I gave a 2) have a better rating. Damn, Even St. Anger have a better rating!
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 07:33
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13 ratings and unanimous panning. But that track I heard is really bad. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 08:03
Doesn't sound so bad to me ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 08:08
I enjoyed The View a lot. Haven't come to Iced Honey yet ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 09:21
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Listened to nearly the whole album now and I think it is rather good actually. Don't understand the hate. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 09:52
And yes, this album sounds pretty decent. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 10:37
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It makes me want to throw up. I shall listen a couple more times but that is IT. I really want to like it..... I just can't
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 10:42
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Some people have very weak constitutions ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 10:46
I did the same last night, and I rather like it. I guess people don´t like the vocals, but prefer the likes of Eloy and Dream Theater- where the guys can really sing  I commend both Lou and Metallica for having the balls to do this, and personally I am putting this on my "to get" list. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 12:46
Pretty much what I'm guessing, I don't know why people have such a hard time with spoken word, sometimes it's more emotional than singing, as in Reed's case. Man, it shows the blatant narrow-mindedness of some people. EDIT: My review got it above Load, Reload and St. Anger. Where it deserves to be. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 13:39
What's more blatantly narrow-minded is believing that just because someone doesn't like this album means that they're narrow-minded. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 13:52
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 14:38
I'll soon put that right when I do my 5 star review.
Well perhaps not but i think a 3 star review will be forthcoming. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 14:42
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^ I gave it four stars. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 14:46
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 15:14
I wouldn't call a food critic narrow-minded if he ate a meal of dog feces and decided that it tasted terrible. I wouldn't say, "Oh, you're just not used to eating sh*t yet. You're not giving it a fair chance!" Some stuff just tastes like sh*t for some people. I won't give it 1 star on my review, but I most certainly won't be giving it 4 or 5, either. It'll probably get 2 stars from me because that's what I see it as: something fans of Lou Reed or Metallica need to at least listen to, but not something that I view as pleasant listening material. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 16:00
My point was that you can not like an album but that alone certainly does not warrant a single star. You have to look at other factors, like artistic significance, how well it's played, etc. Something can be brilliant and still not appeal to certain people, that's my point. Obviously my star scale is different than yours and that's alright. And furthermore, narrow-mindedness is saying "I listened to it for twenty seconds and hate it." That's not giving an honest listen. Narrow-mindedness has nothing to do with not liking material, it's not liking material and instantly labeling it sh*t. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 16:12
I can definitely agree that 20 seconds of listening could fall under the "narrow-minded" label, but then again, I can listen to N'Sync or Gucci Mane for 20 seconds and pretty much know that I'm not going to like it. I just wanted to make sure that not everyone giving it 1 or 2 stars was being labeled "narrow-minded" because there's definitely a legitimate argument for this album being low-rated, based on my first two full listens. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 17:48
Alright, glad we got that clear. I don't like being called narrow-minded at all, if I came across as a bit of an ass, I apologize. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 18:10
It's all good; it just came off as if anyone that didn't enjoy the album was a narrow-minded nitwit, which of course would be unfair. |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 22:30
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Truth, I think your review is the first time I've ever hear the phrase "ceaselessly dissing" I plan on listening to this sometime, and I really have no idea what to expect.
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 22:30
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"The View" is absolutely wretched, but I can't speak for the rest of the album. I can't say that I'm interested in listening to the whole thing, though.
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Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: November 07 2011 at 08:30
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Lulu is trash - it's not a good Metallica album, it's not a good Lou Reed album, and it's a failure as a mashup. Conceptually it's just a lousy retread of Berlin with more scatological lyrics and a metal backing track. I'd rather just listen to Berlin again if it's all the same to Lou.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 10 2011 at 18:09
Not gonna see it either. One is not progressive and the other is not progressive. And the NY scene is not progressive and will never be considered such, because London is! ... got it?
That said, I have to admit that it will be a curious listen for me, which I bet my compadres here will trash me for senselessly ... even though I am not a Metalica fan at all. Over rated band and then some! But I like Lou Reed's spirit and his way of speaking out, and if he can do what he sees with this band, it should be interesting.
Remenber that Lou is no stranger to hard metal rock bands, as in NY these have been a dime a dozen for 40 years, so seeing this happen is not that much a surprise ... as it might be for rock fans that have no idea what the NY scene has created over the years and some of the more artistic and off the wall bands and artists. And NY, regardless of what PA says, is one of the most progressive places there is in the world for all arts, and a parallel to London. Only a blind man, can not see this. And one that can't hear the music, either! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 10 2011 at 18:19
I love that album also, btw ... and still have it!
But listen to it today ... and again ... and notice that Lou's "singing" in that album is ... not really singing, and he is really being the beat poet that he is. I wonder if he does the same thing in the album with Metalica, which I bet he does, and this might be the part that Metalica fans may not like ... no teen angst? ... wow ... what happened to Metalica! But it tells you that most fans are not kind to the very musicians and their desire to do different things and learn new things. That part is bad ... really bad, and fans have no right to tell a band who they should be. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 10 2011 at 18:28
I'm looking forward to their next collaboration with Laurie Anderson. 
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 09:59
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This one's going to be interesting - I'm a Lou Reed completist, he's from my hometown....grew up a few blocks down the road from where he's from. I even dug the new age record he put out a few years ago....I even dug Rock n Roll Heart! At the same time, I've always hated the whole Metallica big sound scene. It's going to be like those old Reese's peanut butter cups commericals for both parties - Hey, you put Lou in my Metallica! No, you put Metallica into my Lou! I'm overwhelmed with new music right now.....plus, I'm just not ready for it. I'll wait until copies start flooding into my used record shop to pick up a copy. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: charles_ryder
Date Posted: May 25 2014 at 10:44
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Metallica is a great band, and Lou Reed too. But Lulu is terrible for me. This is neither music nor poetry. This is rubbish. Imo. ------------- om mani padme hum |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 25 2014 at 15:10
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I like Reed for the most part but the combination of the two sounds a bit ridiculous to me.
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