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micky
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Topic: Black Sabbath Posted: September 27 2016 at 14:44 |
Terrapin Station wrote:
I'm surprised the first three albums are winning on progarchives. In my opinion the second three have heavier prog influences. Hell, Rick Wakeman is even on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, that album and Sabotage have strings and a choir, etc.
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doesn't really matter really does it... the highest rated Rush album is .. Moving Pictures isn't it.... an AOR /arena rock album. even though this is PA's.... progressive/prog content really only matters in band evaluations for adding them.. as far as what people like...be it polls like this or the damned rating based review system here... all bets are off. Just like Genesis... there were bands did their best albums either prior to .. or more often once they moved past being prog.
Edited by micky - September 27 2016 at 14:45
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Mr Smith
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Posted: September 27 2016 at 13:56 |
Black Sabbath is not prog, it's BS.
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uduwudu
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 23:57 |
doompaul wrote:
I think Vol4 is a great album that is really held back by the track "changes." Just my opinion. My favorite Sab record is SBS. |
Yeah Ozzy does Elton John sort of thing. Still it's easily counterbalanced - obscured really... ok, obliterated by the magnificence of Wheels Of Confusion.
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doompaul
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Posted: September 16 2016 at 08:40 |
I think Vol4 is a great album that is really held back by the track "changes." Just my opinion. My favorite Sab record is SBS.
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Terrapin Station
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Posted: September 16 2016 at 07:24 |
I'm surprised the first three albums are winning on progarchives. In my opinion the second three have heavier prog influences. Hell, Rick Wakeman is even on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, that album and Sabotage have strings and a choir, etc.
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aglasshouse
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Posted: September 14 2016 at 13:29 |
I'm surprised at how much Vol 4 goes under people's radar. Really unfortunate. The album's really high quality.
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TheLionOfPrague
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Posted: September 14 2016 at 10:49 |
I enjoy the others, but Paranoid is the only Sabbath album that blows my mind. So I go for the one that has it in it.
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Intruder
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Posted: September 07 2016 at 19:09 |
I love the greasy droning drudge blooze of the first three. The next three tore that haze off the sound......and it worked - there's diversity and more focus in production and energy in performance.....still, they really can't compare to the early daze.....not much "heavy" music does.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: September 05 2016 at 00:19 |
Pastmaster wrote:
hieronymous wrote:
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Born Again is still one of my favorites</span>
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I'm glad there's someone else who loves Born Again, it's one of my favorites as well. I know many complain about the production, but I can get past it when the music is just really good. |
Me too !! Love Gillan's voice, love the songs (Disturbing The Priest couldn't get more epic) and it was one of the first Sabbath albums I heard (along with Heaven And Hell and Live Evil). Then came the Ozzy albums (was late-'88 / early '89 for me). Super special, and the debut was a strong obsession for a stoner
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Pastmaster
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Posted: September 05 2016 at 00:08 |
hieronymous wrote:
Born Again is still one of my favorites
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I'm glad there's someone else who loves Born Again, it's one of my favorites as well. I know many complain about the production, but I can get past it when the music is just really good.
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hieronymous
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Posted: September 04 2016 at 23:45 |
To me, the first three albums are magical - the playing and the songs - Vol. 4 is kind of transitional, sounds patched together - then Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage are brilliant, but much more polished and constructed - not necessarily a bad thing, but overall I have to vote for the first three.
I remember making a Black Sabbath mix-tape for a friend when I was in college - 25 years ago - I put stuff from almost every era at that time, even some from the Glenn Hughes era! I guess I was more into the post-Ozzy stuff - Born Again is still one of my favorites, since I bought it early in my Sabbath listening which was also when it came out. But my friend liked the earliest stuff the best! At the time I was disappointed, but now I get it.
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Mascodagama
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Posted: September 04 2016 at 14:29 |
It's tricky, all six albums have so much going for them. I pick the first three, but tomorrow it could be different.
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DrBob806
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Posted: September 04 2016 at 12:08 |
Terrapin Station wrote:
Just chiming in that I also love Never Say Die and Technical Ecstasy. Never Say Die is actually my #3 Sabbath album.
Anyway, I picked option #2 in the poll. My top two Sabbath albums are Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage. Then Never Say Die is 3, and Vol. 4 is 4 appropriately enough.
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Agree. i absolutely love the Never Say Die album. I never understood why it never got any love.
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Terrapin Station
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Posted: September 04 2016 at 07:49 |
Just chiming in that I also love Never Say Die and Technical Ecstasy. Never Say Die is actually my #3 Sabbath album.
Anyway, I picked option #2 in the poll. My top two Sabbath albums are Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage. Then Never Say Die is 3, and Vol. 4 is 4 appropriately enough.
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AEProgman
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Posted: September 04 2016 at 07:19 |
AEProgman wrote:
BS=3 + Paranoid=4 + MoR=4 = 11Vol4=3 + SBS=4 + Sabotage=4 = 11 I can't decide as both groupings hold different emotions and memories for me and love them all, I will not vote and leave it tied at 29.
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I still can't decide......
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uduwudu
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Posted: September 04 2016 at 04:41 |
Went for option 2 but the albums are all terrific. Although as usual it's the ballads that drive me to distraction. She's Gone - soggy stuff on the fine Tech Ecs. Even worse, Changes - which is worse? Ozzy's take on being Elton John or his daughter's?
But anything with Wheels Of Confusion... the 2001 Space Odyssey of metal.
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sukmytoe
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Posted: September 04 2016 at 02:49 |
Was a huge Black Sabbath fan. For me Volume 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage takes it easily although I love all of their Ozzy albums.
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Cristi
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Posted: September 04 2016 at 00:00 |
first option
Vol 4 is still my favorite BS album.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: September 03 2016 at 23:55 |
Too hard to decide for me
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Ignorance is strength.”
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: September 03 2016 at 23:30 |
The first 3, hands down
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