Black Sabbath
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Topic: Black Sabbath
Posted By: Varon
Subject: Black Sabbath
Date Posted: October 19 2011 at 11:53
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This poll represents 2 BS eras - which one do you prefer? I didn't include 1977-78 albums (the most interesting period IMO) because I know that they aren't respected on PA (and that's strange) ------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 19 2011 at 12:06
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Technical Ecstasy was always my favourite, but in this poll I'll go for choice 2 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: October 19 2011 at 12:10
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Number two. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 19 2011 at 12:15
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SBS is my favorite Ozzy-fronted Sabbath album, and tied with H&H for all-time favorite Sabbath album. I also really dig Sabotage - probably my second favorite Ozzy-fronted album. I like the s/t debut and Paranoid quite a bit as well, but I don't really get into Masters that much. So, easy choice for me. Number 2 it is. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: October 19 2011 at 13:26
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I really don't know how to vote: I ADORE the first two albums, I ADORE Sabotage, but I never really got into the others albums. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 19 2011 at 14:01
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Vol. 4 is horribly recorded album with a few good songs. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and mainly Sabotage are truly (Proto) Prog Metal albums and thus got my vote. But first three Sabbath LPs are undoubtedly Classic and Essential Metal stuff! I like all Ozzy's era but in Prog focus I have to vote for option #2. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 19 2011 at 14:32
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Second option. Easy choice.
Sabotage is their best album, imo. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: October 19 2011 at 14:44
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Second Option has Sabbath Bloody Sabbath so I'm gonna vote for that. ------------- 
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Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: October 19 2011 at 15:25
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Doom era Sabbath kicks the crap out of Prog era Sabbath, although I do love Sabotage and Volume 4. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 19 2011 at 15:34
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No vote from me - I love both these periods, and wouldn´t know how to put one before the other. Black Sabbath is like a musical big brother to me. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Imperfecta
Date Posted: October 19 2011 at 16:02
| I cannot vote in this poll apparently. I'm a longtime ProgArchives person and reviewed tons of albums, but one day my password wasn't working anymore. I guess there's a lock on polls for "new" members? Anyway, my answer is Vol. 4/SBS/Sabotage. But really, what about Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die? Those should not be forgotten, great stuff on each! |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 20 2011 at 12:07
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The first three. Master Of Reality is my favourite followed closely by Paranoid and i really like the Bluesy feel of the debut.So it's no contest for me. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 20 2011 at 12:15
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First 3 for me. The debut does so much for me. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 20 2011 at 13:00
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Really righteous tie. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:25
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Early Sabbath for me today, I lean toward those albums a fraction because of the blues roots and the 'Fairies Wear Boots' ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - JazzMusicArchives. |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:34
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Have to go with the former 3. Not that the latter 3 don't have their moments. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 20 2011 at 20:51
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Vol. IV and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath are my favorites. The first side of Sabotage is the best work Sabbath has ever done. It flat out rocks. But I think they got stoned and gave up on the second side altogether. There's such a difference between side 1 and 2, It's like they're separate albums. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: sideburndude...
Date Posted: October 20 2011 at 21:59
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Dio era all the way. But out of these Choice two wins. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is easily the best Ozzy fronted Sabbath album. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 21 2011 at 14:32
| I only know the first three Sabbath albums. |
Posted By: caretaker
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 05:23
| First choice for me. I lost interest after MoR. |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 15:11
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I love MoR (not so keen on the first or Paranoid) but SBS and Sabotage outweigh it's many good points. V4 would be great if remastered/remixed so that it didn't sound like they were in a tin can. ------------- 
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 15:15
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V4, SABbath bloody SABbath & SABotage ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:14
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Surprised at the vote....thought the first era would romp. I get off the boat at Masters. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:21
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Intruder wrote:Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 21:13
| The first three for me. |
Posted By: charles_ryder
Date Posted: April 30 2014 at 05:36
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BS+Paranoid+Master of Reality for sure
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: April 30 2014 at 07:27
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I thought the best way of understanding the two eras was BS to Vol4 (with my favourite Wheels of Confusion) and the next four. Which are very interesting indeed. No idea which to vote. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 30 2014 at 13:26
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Not an easy choice, but not too terribly hard, either: in going with the condition specific to this poll, I opt for Vol. 4/SBS/Sabotage. The latter two arguably represent the zenith of Ozz-era Sabbath. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: April 30 2014 at 20:14
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The first album, Paranoid and Master of Reality. ------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: April 30 2014 at 20:39
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Went for Vol 4-SBS-Sabotage.Hmmm this thread if first i've heard of anyone complaining of Vol 4's production,i think it's fine as is,but that's just me.Also i'm a fan of TE & NSD as well. ------------- "Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 30 2014 at 21:08
| I'm still getting to know the band, but for what I've heard, I could have almost all I would enjoy most of them with the live albums "Live Evil" and "Reunion". The best songs, and mostly with better, heavier, more energetic versions... and in the case of "Live Evil", with a much better singer. |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: April 30 2014 at 21:24
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In my life I listened many times to these nice tracks: The Thrill Of It All, The Straightener (Studio Version), Under The Sun Every Day Comes and Goes, Snowblind, as well others I can't remeber now. There is a song which doesn't have much of the genre but is quite inrteresting: Laguna Sunrise. Fluff has somewhat an alike atmosphere. -------------  "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 15:13
I..... Don't......Know  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 15:44
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Easily the first 3, only ones I own
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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 16:00
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Gonna support Sabotage.
------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: Prog 74
Date Posted: May 03 2014 at 07:59
| Vol 4, SBS & Sabotage are my three favorite Sabbath albums hands down. The first 6 Sabbath albums are all excellent and worth owning, but the three I voted for are my absolute favorites. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: May 03 2014 at 19:02
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Volume 4 MOR Sabotage SBS Four is just sublime! ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 04 2014 at 22:18
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The first 4 are the only ones I own .....oh, I have the newest one also; a gift from my older daughter.
I bought the first album when it came out and of course Paranoid (didn't buy Master and 4 until many years later..) but it seemed that over the years I no longer had much interest in their brand of heavy rock. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 19:21
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BS=3 + Paranoid=4 + MoR=4 = 11 Vol4=3 + SBS=4 + Sabotage=4 = 11 I can't decide as both groupings hold different emotions and memories for me and love them all, I will not vote and leave it tied at 29.
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Posted By: clarkpegasus4001
Date Posted: May 07 2014 at 14:03
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I went for option 1, but my fave BS track is arguably Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. I am playing in a Black Sabbath tribute band at the end of May, so i'm really looking forward to playing some fine tunes from these albums.
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: May 07 2014 at 15:50
| The first era of Sabbath for me. |
Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: May 08 2014 at 03:16
| First three |
Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: May 11 2014 at 16:48
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The second: Tomorrow's Dream and much of Sabotage being on top.
"Over To You" is my fav. Sabbath song ! And those albums have been very well praised on Youtube so it's unlikely you'll be the only late 70's fan even here. I'm waiting for a charismatic PA loudmouth to advocate for those albums (along with many other great albums) for sure !!
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Posted By: DrBob806
Date Posted: September 03 2016 at 16:35
| Late to this, but I vote 2. |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: September 03 2016 at 19:42
| 1. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 03 2016 at 21:37
| I would just take the Reunion live album and be happy with that one. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: September 03 2016 at 23:30
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The first 3, hands down
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: September 03 2016 at 23:55
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Too hard to decide for me ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 00:00
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first option Vol 4 is still my favorite BS album.
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Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 02:49
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Was a huge Black Sabbath fan. For me Volume 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage takes it easily although I love all of their Ozzy albums. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 04:41
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Went for option 2 but the albums are all terrific. Although as usual it's the ballads that drive me to distraction. She's Gone - soggy stuff on the fine Tech Ecs. Even worse, Changes - which is worse? Ozzy's take on being Elton John or his daughter's? But anything with Wheels Of Confusion... the 2001 Space Odyssey of metal. |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 07:19
I still can't decide...... -------------
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Posted By: Terrapin Station
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 07:49
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Just chiming in that I also love Never Say Die and Technical Ecstasy. Never Say Die is actually my #3 Sabbath album. Anyway, I picked option #2 in the poll. My top two Sabbath albums are Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage. Then Never Say Die is 3, and Vol. 4 is 4 appropriately enough. |
Posted By: DrBob806
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 12:08
Agree. i absolutely love the Never Say Die album. I never understood why it never got any love.
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 14:29
| It's tricky, all six albums have so much going for them. I pick the first three, but tomorrow it could be different. |
Posted By: hieronymous
Date Posted: September 04 2016 at 23:45
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To me, the first three albums are magical - the playing and the songs - Vol. 4 is kind of transitional, sounds patched together - then Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage are brilliant, but much more polished and constructed - not necessarily a bad thing, but overall I have to vote for the first three. I remember making a Black Sabbath mix-tape for a friend when I was in college - 25 years ago - I put stuff from almost every era at that time, even some from the Glenn Hughes era! I guess I was more into the post-Ozzy stuff - Born Again is still one of my favorites, since I bought it early in my Sabbath listening which was also when it came out. But my friend liked the earliest stuff the best! At the time I was disappointed, but now I get it.
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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: September 05 2016 at 00:08
I'm glad there's someone else who loves Born Again, it's one of my favorites as well. I know many complain about the production, but I can get past it when the music is just really good.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: September 05 2016 at 00:19
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: September 07 2016 at 19:09
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I love the greasy droning drudge blooze of the first three. The next three tore that haze off the sound......and it worked - there's diversity and more focus in production and energy in performance.....still, they really can't compare to the early daze.....not much "heavy" music does. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: September 14 2016 at 10:49
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I enjoy the others, but Paranoid is the only Sabbath album that blows my mind. So I go for the one that has it in it. ------------- I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: September 14 2016 at 13:29
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I'm surprised at how much Vol 4 goes under people's radar. Really unfortunate. The album's really high quality. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: Terrapin Station
Date Posted: September 16 2016 at 07:24
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I'm surprised the first three albums are winning on progarchives. In my opinion the second three have heavier prog influences. Hell, Rick Wakeman is even on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, that album and Sabotage have strings and a choir, etc. |
Posted By: doompaul
Date Posted: September 16 2016 at 08:40
| I think Vol4 is a great album that is really held back by the track "changes." Just my opinion. My favorite Sab record is SBS. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: September 25 2016 at 23:57
Yeah Ozzy does Elton John sort of thing. Still it's easily counterbalanced - obscured really... ok, obliterated by the magnificence of Wheels Of Confusion. |
Posted By: Mr Smith
Date Posted: September 27 2016 at 13:56
Black Sabbath is not prog, it's BS.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 27 2016 at 14:44
doesn't really matter really does it... the highest rated Rush album is .. Moving Pictures isn't it.... an AOR /arena rock album. even though this is PA's.... progressive/prog content really only matters in band evaluations for adding them.. as far as what people like...be it polls like this or the damned rating based review system here... all bets are off. Just like Genesis... there were bands did their best albums either prior to .. or more often once they moved past being prog. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |