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    Posted: January 20 2009 at 18:38
Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Senni Eskelinen & Stringpurée band base their music on kantele - Finland's national instrument. Apart from that, I can't think of anything. To me, there are artists that sound distinctively Finnish (Pekka Pohjola, Uzva etc.), but if you'd ask me to explain my stance, I'm not sure I could give you a satisfying answer - you just feel it.


Moonsorrow also use the kantele on their Verisäkeet album :) Beautiful instrument!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:23
Well, the one I'm living in at the moment? We invented prog rock baby

As for my ancestors' country... Well, we have quite a fair bit of prog metal. And Chopin. They're both good
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:05
Senni Eskelinen & Stringpurée band base their music on kantele - Finland's national instrument. Apart from that, I can't think of anything. To me, there are artists that sound distinctively Finnish (Pekka Pohjola, Uzva etc.), but if you'd ask me to explain my stance, I'm not sure I could give you a satisfying answer - you just feel it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2009 at 16:33

Im from the US but of hispanic descent. The Mars Volta is mostly comprised of people of Hispanic countries or descent like me. Their musci is heavily influenced by thier hispanic roots. 

Am example of this can be easily heard in "Day of the Baphomets" on thier Amputechture album. The song just stops and has an almost island feel to it. This might be because the guitarist is from Puerto Rico.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 08:35
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Isn't traditional Hawaiian music where slide guitar comes from? If that's the case, you guys have had quite the influence upon rock music...


Not sure about that.  I've always had the impression that blues slide and hawaiian slide developed seperately.  You never know though.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 04:07
Isn't traditional Hawaiian music where slide guitar comes from? If that's the case, you guys have had quite the influence upon rock music...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:00
In my country, Hawaii, and if you don't think Hawaii is another country seperate from the U.S., come live out here and may I say, I would love to be there when you tell  that to the locals.Ouch OUCH... In any case in my country, there is no  "Local" rock, no roll, there is no Jazz no Prog no nothing but  the mindless pulsating rhytms of Hawaii's own "Jah-Waiian" scene( A : tropical "blend" of rap and Reggae,usually rapped in Pidgin English or some Polynesian language and with all due respect to Bob Marley, Rap and Reggae are two of the most nauseating forms of music to these ears) Traditonal Hawaiian music is quite nice and enjoyable with Slack Key guitar playing being a popular export of Hawaii and some reason I cannot hear slack key or traditional Hawaii folk ever being blended together with rock to form or create good prog... Some flavors were never meant to blend....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2009 at 18:21
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Oddly enough, Italian prog folk bands tend to incorporate elements of other traditions more than local ones - obviously with some notable exceptions, like Seventies bands Canzoniere del Lazio and Carnascialia. The most evident influence on Italian prog, however (like someone else already said), is opera, as proved by the 'theatrical' style favoured by many RPI singers.


Including the likes of the singer of Pennelli di Vermeer and Il Bacio Della Medusa - and of course the well known 'oldies-but-proggies'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2009 at 18:14
Oddly enough, Italian prog folk bands tend to incorporate elements of other traditions more than local ones - obviously with some notable exceptions, like Seventies bands Canzoniere del Lazio and Carnascialia. The most evident influence on Italian prog, however (like someone else already said), is opera, as proved by the 'theatrical' style favoured by many RPI singers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2009 at 17:50
I feel a bit like Teo here - but then again, we don't have real Dutch instruments that I'm aware of (and that could be useful in prog).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2009 at 17:31
Chilean bands like Los Jaivas, Congreso, Inti Illimani and others incorporate a lot of folk elements into their music, not only from Chile, but Latin America in general. These bands started (and were big) in the 60's/70's, so they kind of set a style for "progressive" music, so now a lot of jazz and prog bands do the same.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2009 at 17:14
ASIA MINOR  assimilated Tuirkish music onto standar prog very nicely. They released 2 albums. "Between Flesh & Divine" , is their best. Its released by Musea Records.

Also released by Musea are albums by OSIRIS, based in Bahrain. "Reflections" is probably their best. 
Since Is was short of ideas, I'll play trracks from those CDs tomorrow night on "3rd Ear", along with Big Big Train, KIngBathmat's new CD "Blue Sea, Black Heart" and Brian Wilson's "Smile".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2009 at 07:08
Originally posted by chaos8619 chaos8619 wrote:

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In Romania there are some great bands that incorporate in their music specific Romanian folkloric elements and themes or instruments. Phoenix (who is present in PA) is probably the most know band, who blend in the ‘70is symphonic prog, hard rock and Romanian folk music and using popular instruments like “fluier”, “bucium”, “dube”, “toaca”, etc. Other great band from present is Negura Bunget who blend norwegian pagan raw black metal and romanian folklore (album Om is a great masterpiece). There are some others band who are not included in PA, like Bucium (etno-rock, folk-rock), Zdob si Zdub (a moldavian etno/hard-core/punk band very popular in Eastern Europe), Shukar Collective (electro-gipsy/alternative rock), Oviudiu Lipan Tandarica (the Phoenix drummers who blends rock, jazz, gipsy taraf and traditional romanian folkloric music), Domnisoara Pogany (who is one of the most interesting prog band from Romania, maybe it could be considerate on this site as instrumental eclectic prog) and so on. Who want to listen some of this bands or others, please contact me.


Yes, I agree, Phoenix and particularly the albums Mugur de Flieur, Cei ce ne-au dat Nume and Cantafabule are superb albums which incooperate traditional instruments and are based on folklore and poetry of Romania.  I would like to add Stepan Project ( a band formed by Ilie Stepan, former lead singer of Pro Muzica) which is difficult to categorize, I would say symphonic prog with pronounced folk influences).

The country in which I live, Greece, is influenced by the East as much as the West and there is certainly a lot of non prog folk bands around who play the bouzouki, clarinette and mandolin, but I think there isn't much experimentation in this field, musically speaking.  Generally speaking, the progressive rock scene in Greece isn't very big, bands which come to mind which have experimented with folk music are perhaps Purple Overdose and Dionisis Savvopoulos.  The former clearly have drawn from foreign folk prog bands like Jethro Tull, but I wouldn't say that the flute was a traditional instrument of Greece, nor would I describe them as being a folk band, more psychodellic.  Dionisis Savvopoulos has made use of traditional themes and instruments in his earlier albums and was clearly influenced by the prog scene at the time but I wouldn't say that his music was pure progressive rock (except the track "Mavri Thalassa," which is a classic!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2009 at 14:23
I'm from England, so my own country's traditional music...isn't really that exciting XD

But I am a great fan of traditional music from around the world. And in Prog I would say a band that incorporates a real national identity in their music is Moonsorrow! Although primarily they're a Folk Metal band, they are definitely Proggy on their more recent albums. They use all sorts of interesting instruments, like the very beautiful and very Finnish Jouhikko. Their melodies are often reminiscent of Finnish folk songs and they did a gorgeous version of a folk song to finish off their Kivenkantaja album.

I am a big fan of Bulgarian folk music, so it would be great to hear a blend of their musical traditions and Prog! I think it'd be very compatible. All I've heard so far was a Metal band called Kerozy who sampled a bit of a folk song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2009 at 14:05
Originally posted by mono mono wrote:

I come from Lebanon, and I live in France, and I think this subject is a bit delicate.

Incorporating local folk into your music can quickly become cliché if you haven't really absorbed the folk music in its sounds and rythms. You can't just say, "I'm from France, I should put in some accordeon in my songs...".

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In France, people don't tend to mix, because french music has a very different state of mind compared to UK/US culture. Songs are moslty based on the lyrics, and musically there has never been something really "French" if not some french rock or old songs with some accordeon.



Well, after reading and hearing two or three things, I would rather say that the 70's French bands tried to incorporate various influences. I still think that Ange, Etron Fou Leloublan or Komintern were influenced by popular French music, but mixed it with English-American pop influences and a strong sense of "avant-garde".
Without accordion, though.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2009 at 13:32
Originally posted by memowakeman memowakeman wrote:

Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

Mexican stuff (especially the track "Maria"):

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No but I appreciate hispanic/latin-american flavour to any form of art... Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2009 at 11:44
Yeah, but that one is Greek not Lebanese. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2009 at 06:39
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:


Hmmm. I remember reading that Dick Dale, that surf music guy, was of Lebanese descent and worked a lot of folk music from that country into music so a lot of surf is full of second-hand Lebanese folk influences! Is there any truth to this, and if yes do you think that falls into the category of "oriental rock" sounding forced and cliché? Confused


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2009 at 16:36
Originally posted by mono mono wrote:

I come from Lebanon, and I live in France, and I think this subject is a bit delicate.

Incorporating local folk into your music can quickly become cliché if you haven't really absorbed the folk music in its sounds and rythms. You can't just say, "I'm from France, I should put in some accordeon in my songs...".

I think the best way to incorporate folk music in your composition, is to be able not to think you really are!
The fact that you WANT to incorporate traditionnal elements into your music can make it artificial. You have to compose with the folk music as an inspiration just like others.

Moreover, it won't be the same if you're playing jazz for example or prog. In prog in particular, this issue is more delicate (as is every note...). You have to work with precision and be able to chose the right moment and the right mood, with the right orchestration.

In jazz, your choices are more varied. You can have a theme that's close to your folk music, and put in a local instrument for an improv or to play a theme. That's how you can easily have guest musicians come in, do their thing without any preparation.

In France, people don't tend to mix, because french music has a very different state of mind compared to UK/US culture. Songs are moslty based on the lyrics, and musically there has never been something really "French" if not some french rock or old songs with some accordeon.

In Lebanon, you can find for example composers who made classical arabic music in the seventies that are now playing jazz with a big folk influence (I'm thinking of Ziad Rahbani an essential Lebanese pianist).
You can also find "oriental" rock and metal, but they quickly sound cliché, as the incorporation of folk music is a bit "forced".


Hmmm. I remember reading that Dick Dale, that surf music guy, was of Lebanese descent and worked a lot of folk music from that country into music so a lot of surf is full of second-hand Lebanese folk influences! Is there any truth to this, and if yes do you think that falls into the category of "oriental rock" sounding forced and cliché? Confused
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