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    Posted: October 05 2021 at 06:54
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

How about a compilation of unreleased live material similar to The Word is Live by Yes. Floyd don't have enough live releases. They are even worse than Genesis in that department. 


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Which is, of course, rather strange, because what got PF famous was their concert shows and how far out they were in 1971 and 1972, before they started doing bits and pieces of DSOTM, which then became a huge show that got the band their first million, so to speak. It was during that time that they were thought to be the ultimate "stoned" band, along with TGD, which I'm not sure was true since these folks, for one, already had a member that lost it, and 2, were already much more mature about their doping, and not exactly happy with some of it, since RW got upset more than once about too much dope going to the stage, even during DSOTM, and sometimes those bits showed up on bootlegs.

My take is that, unless, you go to the early material with DG, BEFORE Dark Side, is the only material that would be more fun to listen to and enjoy, since those had a lot of improvised material in them, and I think it all ended when their shows became "mechanical" with too much film and lights, and the players had to stay on top of it and not screw up, which would have hurt many other things taking place on the original DSOTM show. This, for me, caused the live material to lose their strength, and the boots of anything beyond DSOTM have absolutely NOTHING worth listening to at all, because of the quality level they raised on their shows, which allowed very little time, and sections where any of them could fool around at all!

Thus, the early days would be far out to listen to, and the "hint" might even be shown via Nick Mason's very enjoyable and far out stuff that he redid from the early days. There is a lot of material that got a lot of different takes that you could only get on bootlegs, and never have heard before.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I like those compilation albums often that consist of previously unreleased material.
 
 
I don't get how an album consisting of previously unreleased material can be called a compilation album. Surely a compilation album is an album containing tracks from previous albums. How is an album of previously unreleased material different from a new album? Surely the time between recording and release is immaterial.
 
An example is Van der Graaf Generator - Time Vaults, classified here as a compilation album but containing no tracks from any other Van der Graaf Generator album. Even the tracks from Peter Hammill albums are different versions.

I think it's quite common for albums that have previously released tracks from various albums with one or some previously unreleased ones to be considered a compilation album.

Any newly released (rather than re-released) compilation or collection that I can think of is a new album in a sense.  Call it a collection if you prefer, or an archival release, or an anthology.  One can play around with semantics.  I'm not understanding your reasoning, to be honest.

I would like an album that compiles previously unreleased tracks -- or lives, as mentioned, would be great.


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How about a compilation of unreleased live material similar to The Word is Live by Yes. Floyd don't have enough live releases. They are even worse than Genesis in that department. 





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I'm good with more compilation offerings, you don't have to by them if you don't want. Nobody bitches about all the ridiculously priced Beatles compilations, they will never get my money, definition of money grab.

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At this point, I don't think that Paul and Ringo have much to say about it, and that the majority of these things are being done by record companies that can still make money from it, and the 2 Beatles left will get some residuals from it, but I sincerely doubt they have a say or any input.

Besides, there are a lot of things of theirs that are still unreleased and no one is giving a damn about getting them done, up to and including the Beatles Christmas Shows (fun stuff, not exactly the best!) and a lot of material with other folks playing that were found on bootlegs, most of which are still being ignored and a lot of that material has been buried.

Someday, we might get a better view of things, but I doubt it will happen in our lifetime. The BBC ownership of things, or EMI (or whoever!) are the ones to blame and be accountable for the hiding, not Ringo or Paul themselves.
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I'm good with more compilation offerings, you don't have to by them if you don't want. Nobody bitches about all the ridiculously priced Beatles compilations, they will never get my money, definition of money grab.
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Echoes pretty much nailed it although I would have liked Dogs instead of some other tracks. So basically that wit Dogs and better mastering would be great. Pink Floyd albums have generally been poorly remastered. Get the guy responsible for the recent re-issue of Marillion- Fugazi and get him on the case!
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I like those compilation albums often that consist of previously unreleased material.
 
I don't get how an album consisting of previously unreleased material can be called a compilation album. Surely a compilation album is an album containing tracks from previous albums. How is an album of previously unreleased material different from a new album? Surely the time between recording and release is immaterial.
 
An example is Van der Graaf Generator - Time Vaults, classified here as a compilation album but containing no tracks from any other Van der Graaf Generator album. Even the tracks from Peter Hammill albums are different versions.
 
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I don't know about a compilation album... it would be nice if they got the very songs I actually like best, but then again, I have all their albums anyways, and have my own lists. Echoes could have been the ultimate compilation from them, but it really bothers me how some of the songs were edited and incomplete... and they got almost the whole Shine On You Crazy Diamond in one song, but ended up chopping the very last part, or something of the sort. As for what I would like them to release... it's an album (or even better, video) from the Animals tour... now, that would be the very best live album ever for me.
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Probably the middle years box set. They did the early years and the later years, I’m sure they’re gonna do the middle years soon. Idk if that counts as a comp but we can certainly expect that to come out soon
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.

you're just disagreeing for the sake of it.
A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind. 

So let's not say it's the same thing. 
No...Let's !

now you're trolling me...Ouch
Not at all Cristi, just standing my ground.
By all means please, feel free to explain how it's not a compilation.

com·pi·la·tion   /ˌkämpəˈlāSH(ə)n/
a thing, especially a book, record, or broadcast program, that is put together by assembling previously separate items


A live album is a live recording (d'oh) of one show or several shows of the same tour. 

Like Logan said, if you compile live songs from several tours of live albums, then it's a compilation. It's a rare situation though. 

Since the whole conversation started with Delicate Sound of Thunder, its a live album from the AMLOR tour. So I believe it's a live album and not a compilation. 

You want a great Floyd compilation, I recommend Relics (1971). Big smile

Thank you for making my point for me. FROM A TOUR. And is the case of pretty much all live albums (again Pics @ an Ex notwithstanding), they are songs from various nights and venues...wait for it...COMPLIED to make a live album.
BOOM !

You are just arguing semantics now. You are making everything confusing. 
Greatest Hits or Best Of is a compilation generally. 

I'm not making your point. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.

you're just disagreeing for the sake of it.
A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind. 

So let's not say it's the same thing. 
No...Let's !

now you're trolling me...Ouch
Not at all Cristi, just standing my ground.
By all means please, feel free to explain how it's not a compilation.

com·pi·la·tion   /ˌkämpəˈlāSH(ə)n/
a thing, especially a book, record, or broadcast program, that is put together by assembling previously separate items


A live album is a live recording (d'oh) of one show or several shows of the same tour. 

Like Logan said, if you compile live songs from several tours of live albums, then it's a compilation. It's a rare situation though. 

Since the whole conversation started with Delicate Sound of Thunder, its a live album from the AMLOR tour. So I believe it's a live album and not a compilation. 

You want a great Floyd compilation, I recommend Relics (1971). Big smile

Thank you for making my point for me. FROM A TOUR. And is the case of pretty much all live albums (again Pics @ an Ex notwithstanding), they are songs from various nights and venues...wait for it...COMPLIED to make a live album.
BOOM !
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.

you're just disagreeing for the sake of it.
A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind. 

So let's not say it's the same thing. 
No...Let's !

now you're trolling me...Ouch
Not at all Cristi, just standing my ground.
By all means please, feel free to explain how it's not a compilation.

com·pi·la·tion   /ˌkämpəˈlāSH(ə)n/
a thing, especially a book, record, or broadcast program, that is put together by assembling previously separate items


A live album is a live recording (d'oh) of one show or several shows of the same tour. 

Like Logan said, if you compile live songs from several tours of live albums, then it's a compilation. It's a rare situation though. 

Since the whole conversation started with Delicate Sound of Thunder, its a live album from the AMLOR tour. So I believe it's a live album and not a compilation. 

You want a great Floyd compilation, I recommend Relics (1971). Big smile
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I'm good with Floyd releases. I've got everything I would want, plus doubles, triples and even quadruples in various formats. I'm done giving them any more money. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.

you're just disagreeing for the sake of it.
A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind. 

So let's not say it's the same thing. 
No...Let's !

now you're trolling me...Ouch
Not at all Cristi, just standing my ground.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.

you're just disagreeing for the sake of it.
A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind. 

So let's not say it's the same thing. 

I wouldn't call most live albums compilations despite taking material from, say, various albums
 
Not something I've really researched, but I would have thought that some albums that contain live material could be considered live compilation albums, such as when it is a compilation of live performances from different times. But if it is live album from one live performance (and maybe one live tour) then I would be less likely to refer to it a s live compilation album.   I like those compilation albums often that consist of previously unreleased material.

Just thought that I'd throw that into the conversation.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.

you're just disagreeing for the sake of it.
A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind. 

So let's not say it's the same thing. 
No...Let's !

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.

you're just disagreeing for the sake of it.
A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind. 

So let's not say it's the same thing. 
No...Let's !
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All in all it’s just another fancy box full of the same stuff - but even Newer and Improved-er than last time. Target audience of new & old fans who didn’t get the last box, and collectors who want every Floyd release whether it’s new or not. A fairly big market, all told.
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