Pink Floyd’s next compilation album?
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Topic: Pink Floyd’s next compilation album?
Posted By: Stool Man
Subject: Pink Floyd’s next compilation album?
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 03:54
Pink Floyd seem to release a compilation album about once every ten years. Relics was in 1971, A Collection Of Great Dance Songs was in 1981, the Shine On boxset in 1992 included the early singles disc, Echoes was in 2001, and A Foot In The Door was in 2011.
If they stick to that timetable, we are due another one sometime in the next year or so.
What would you like to see on such a thing?
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 05:23
I don't really see the point, and don't forget with all the enhanced editions/box set releases we've had in the past few years I suspect they have already sold us all the leftover rubbish.
BTW you forgot Works Vol.1 (1983), the unofficial, but splendid collection covering the years 1967-73.
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 05:46
Works was done by their former label trying to cash in on the then-current The Final Cut.
They’ve always done big boxsets, starting with The First XI, then Shine One, etc etc.
At this stage in their career, the point is to catch the interest of the next upcoming crowd of music fans who weren’t old enough a decade ago.
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 05:58
Yeah I'm aware of the history of works, and I love it as a collection to recommend to anyone who's not familiar with their work. Of course it does include the elusive 'Embryo' and I think the mixes of Brain Damage / Eclipse on there are probably from the quadrophonic version of DSotM.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 06:07
Relics and Delicate Sound of Thunder are the only Pink Floyd compilations I need, although a Pink Floyd family album would be nice, featuring the best of all their solo works.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 06:48
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Relics and Delicate Sound of Thunder are the only Pink Floyd compilations I need, although a Pink Floyd family album would be nice, featuring the best of all their solo works. |
Delicate Sound of Thunder is not a compilation, it's a live album.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 07:26
Progishness wrote:
Yeah I'm aware of the history of works, and I love it as a collection to recommend to anyone who's not familiar with their work. Of course it does include the elusive 'Embryo' and I think the mixes of Brain Damage / Eclipse on there are probably from the quadrophonic version of DSotM. |
Hi,
Actually I was thinking that if there was such a new compilation, it would be about the use of their Quadraphonic Sound System in those very early days, which added dimensions to the music itself that made it better, and more enjoyable. Hearing things like "Echoes" and "One of These Days" in that Quad system, was really far out, to the point where I even commented on the original The Wall and how the Quad system made it better, and the later RW's version was cheap by comparison, and you did not get the true feeling of the girl crossing the whole room, like you did in the Quad shows. In RW's version it went from left to right on the stage over and out ... very cheesy, and you did not get the feeling that you were there, which you DID when the original was done.
There are a lot more bits and pieces that were augmented by the Quad system. "Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun" was one such piece, and its splashing on the gong's was very special, as they started on one spot and then started the next hit on the next spot, and so on, creating an echo effect that we do these days on a DAW or something else. It was the veritable echo chamber of the old days ... and it felt magnificent.
Some of the digital things will hurt the ability to show this right and well. The use of an "echo chamber" would be one, as the sound from any echo utility I have ever found is so synthetic as to sound very boring on early material, and this was also a contention that Edgar Froese made about the early days of TD.
The only sad thing, is that the folks in charge of making these decisions, are not interested in the many different things that PF did to help create their sonic concerts that started way earlier than DSOTM, and the majority of fans has no idea ... seeing something like "Live in Pompeii" is a good example and we saw it done on a QUAD system in the theater, and the quality of the music movement was phenomenal, specially when DG was sitting fooling with his strings and sound ... today's listener has no idea how that sounded so spectacular then, and is so trivial now as to make a lot of the music mundane!
If they are going to do something, they need to do something SONIC about it all ... not just a bunch of things that have been released before ... heck, maybe even the Syd Barrett lines PF used for a long time on these early shows and kinda buried them in DSOTM and then killed them all for SOYCD.
For me, this new idea is of no interest whatsoever, since what made the band, is not what these releases are about at all ... too much of it is just a matter of saturating the market to ensure the continuation of the sales all around. Oh what the heck, the pictures are pretty ... right ... let me get the make up kit!
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 07:26
^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 11:57
^ Fair point!
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 12:00
JD wrote:
^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.
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you're just disagreeing for the sake of it. A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind.
So let's not say it's the same thing.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 12:14
All in all it’s just another fancy box full of the same stuff - but even Newer and Improved-er than last time. Target audience of new & old fans who didn’t get the last box, and collectors who want every Floyd release whether it’s new or not. A fairly big market, all told.
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 12:36
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.
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you're just disagreeing for the sake of it. A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind.
So let's not say it's the same thing. | No...Let's !
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 14:28
JD wrote:
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.
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you're just disagreeing for the sake of it. A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind.
So let's not say it's the same thing. | No...Let's !
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now you're trolling me...
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 14:54
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.
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you're just disagreeing for the sake of it. A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind.
So let's not say it's the same thing. |
I wouldn't call most live albums compilations despite taking material from, say, various albums Not something I've really researched, but I would have thought that some albums that contain live material could be considered live compilation albums, such as when it is a compilation of live performances from different times. But if it is live album from one live performance (and maybe one live tour) then I would be less likely to refer to it a s live compilation album. I like those compilation albums often that consist of previously unreleased material.
Just thought that I'd throw that into the conversation.
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 15:26
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.
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you're just disagreeing for the sake of it. A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind.
So let's not say it's the same thing. | No...Let's !
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now you're trolling me... | Not at all Cristi, just standing my ground.By all means please, feel free to explain how it's not a compilation.
com·pi·la·tion /ˌkämpəˈlāSH(ə)n/ a thing, especially a book, record, or broadcast program, that is put together by assembling previously separate items
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 15:33
I'm good with Floyd releases. I've got everything I would want, plus doubles, triples and even quadruples in various formats. I'm done giving them any more money.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 15:33
JD wrote:
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.
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you're just disagreeing for the sake of it. A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind.
So let's not say it's the same thing. | No...Let's !
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now you're trolling me... | Not at all Cristi, just standing my ground.By all means please, feel free to explain how it's not a compilation.
com·pi·la·tion /ˌkämpəˈlāSH(ə)n/ a thing, especially a book, record, or broadcast program, that is put together by assembling previously separate items
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A live album is a live recording (d'oh) of one show or several shows of the same tour.
Like Logan said, if you compile live songs from several tours of live albums, then it's a compilation. It's a rare situation though.
Since the whole conversation started with Delicate Sound of Thunder, its a live album from the AMLOR tour. So I believe it's a live album and not a compilation.
You want a great Floyd compilation, I recommend Relics (1971).
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 15:51
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.
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you're just disagreeing for the sake of it. A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind.
So let's not say it's the same thing. | No...Let's !
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now you're trolling me... | Not at all Cristi, just standing my ground.By all means please, feel free to explain how it's not a compilation.
com·pi·la·tion /ˌkämpəˈlāSH(ə)n/ a thing, especially a book, record, or broadcast program, that is put together by assembling previously separate items
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A live album is a live recording (d'oh) of one show or several shows of the same tour.
Like Logan said, if you compile live songs from several tours of live albums, then it's a compilation. It's a rare situation though.
Since the whole conversation started with Delicate Sound of Thunder, its a live album from the AMLOR tour. So I believe it's a live album and not a compilation.
You want a great Floyd compilation, I recommend Relics (1971).
| Thank you for making my point for me. FROM A TOUR. And is the case of pretty much all live albums (again Pics @ an Ex notwithstanding), they are songs from various nights and venues...wait for it...COMPLIED to make a live album.BOOM !
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 15:55
JD wrote:
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
Cristi wrote:
JD wrote:
^^Aren't most live albums compilations? (Pictures at an Exhibition notwithstanding). It's just a Live Compilation.
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you're just disagreeing for the sake of it. A live album is a band playing live, a compilation is a collection of songs, "best of", "greatest hits" kind.
So let's not say it's the same thing. | No...Let's !
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now you're trolling me... | Not at all Cristi, just standing my ground.By all means please, feel free to explain how it's not a compilation.
com·pi·la·tion /ˌkämpəˈlāSH(ə)n/ a thing, especially a book, record, or broadcast program, that is put together by assembling previously separate items
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A live album is a live recording (d'oh) of one show or several shows of the same tour.
Like Logan said, if you compile live songs from several tours of live albums, then it's a compilation. It's a rare situation though.
Since the whole conversation started with Delicate Sound of Thunder, its a live album from the AMLOR tour. So I believe it's a live album and not a compilation.
You want a great Floyd compilation, I recommend Relics (1971).
| Thank you for making my point for me. FROM A TOUR. And is the case of pretty much all live albums (again Pics @ an Ex notwithstanding), they are songs from various nights and venues...wait for it...COMPLIED to make a live album.BOOM !
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You are just arguing semantics now. You are making everything confusing. Greatest Hits or Best Of is a compilation generally.
I'm not making your point.
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Posted By: Cboi Sandlin
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 19:32
Probably the middle years box set. They did the early years and the later years, I’m sure they’re gonna do the middle years soon. Idk if that counts as a comp but we can certainly expect that to come out soon
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 23:10
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 23:28
I don't know about a compilation album... it would be nice if they got the very songs I actually like best, but then again, I have all their albums anyways, and have my own lists. Echoes could have been the ultimate compilation from them, but it really bothers me how some of the songs were edited and incomplete... and they got almost the whole Shine On You Crazy Diamond in one song, but ended up chopping the very last part, or something of the sort. As for what I would like them to release... it's an album (or even better, video) from the Animals tour... now, that would be the very best live album ever for me.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 01:04
Logan wrote:
I like those compilation albums often that consist of previously unreleased material. |
I don't get how an album consisting of previously unreleased material can be called a compilation album. Surely a compilation album is an album containing tracks from previous albums. How is an album of previously unreleased material different from a new album? Surely the time between recording and release is immaterial. An example is Van der Graaf Generator - Time Vaults, classified here as a compilation album but containing no tracks from any other Van der Graaf Generator album. Even the tracks from Peter Hammill albums are different versions.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 02:10
Echoes pretty much nailed it although I would have liked Dogs instead of some other tracks. So basically that wit Dogs and better mastering would be great. Pink Floyd albums have generally been poorly remastered. Get the guy responsible for the recent re-issue of Marillion- Fugazi and get him on the case!
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 12:18
I'm good with more compilation offerings, you don't have to by them if you don't want. Nobody bitches about all the ridiculously priced Beatles compilations, they will never get my money, definition of money grab.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 17:57
Catcher10 wrote:
I'm good with more compilation offerings, you don't have to by them if you don't want. Nobody bitches about all the ridiculously priced Beatles compilations, they will never get my money, definition of money grab. |
Hi,
At this point, I don't think that Paul and Ringo have much to say about it, and that the majority of these things are being done by record companies that can still make money from it, and the 2 Beatles left will get some residuals from it, but I sincerely doubt they have a say or any input.
Besides, there are a lot of things of theirs that are still unreleased and no one is giving a damn about getting them done, up to and including the Beatles Christmas Shows (fun stuff, not exactly the best!) and a lot of material with other folks playing that were found on bootlegs, most of which are still being ignored and a lot of that material has been buried.
Someday, we might get a better view of things, but I doubt it will happen in our lifetime. The BBC ownership of things, or EMI (or whoever!) are the ones to blame and be accountable for the hiding, not Ringo or Paul themselves.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 19:14
How about a compilation of unreleased live material similar to The Word is Live by Yes. Floyd don't have enough live releases. They are even worse than Genesis in that department.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 20:17
I prophesy disaster wrote:
Logan wrote:
I like those compilation albums often that consist of previously unreleased material. |
I don't get how an album consisting of previously unreleased material can be called a compilation album. Surely a compilation album is an album containing tracks from previous albums. How is an album of previously unreleased material different from a new album? Surely the time between recording and release is immaterial. An example is Van der Graaf Generator - Time Vaults, classified here as a compilation album but containing no tracks from any other Van der Graaf Generator album. Even the tracks from Peter Hammill albums are different versions. |
I think it's quite common for albums that have previously released tracks from various albums with one or some previously unreleased ones to be considered a compilation album.
Any newly released (rather than re-released) compilation or collection that I can think of is a new album in a sense. Call it a collection if you prefer, or an archival release, or an anthology. One can play around with semantics. I'm not understanding your reasoning, to be honest.
I would like an album that compiles previously unreleased tracks -- or lives, as mentioned, would be great.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 05 2021 at 06:45
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
How about a compilation of unreleased live material similar to The Word is Live by Yes. Floyd don't have enough live releases. They are even worse than Genesis in that department.
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Hi,
Which is, of course, rather strange, because what got PF famous was their concert shows and how far out they were in 1971 and 1972, before they started doing bits and pieces of DSOTM, which then became a huge show that got the band their first million, so to speak. It was during that time that they were thought to be the ultimate "stoned" band, along with TGD, which I'm not sure was true since these folks, for one, already had a member that lost it, and 2, were already much more mature about their doping, and not exactly happy with some of it, since RW got upset more than once about too much dope going to the stage, even during DSOTM, and sometimes those bits showed up on bootlegs.
My take is that, unless, you go to the early material with DG, BEFORE Dark Side, is the only material that would be more fun to listen to and enjoy, since those had a lot of improvised material in them, and I think it all ended when their shows became "mechanical" with too much film and lights, and the players had to stay on top of it and not screw up, which would have hurt many other things taking place on the original DSOTM show. This, for me, caused the live material to lose their strength, and the boots of anything beyond DSOTM have absolutely NOTHING worth listening to at all, because of the quality level they raised on their shows, which allowed very little time, and sections where any of them could fool around at all!
Thus, the early days would be far out to listen to, and the "hint" might even be shown via Nick Mason's very enjoyable and far out stuff that he redid from the early days. There is a lot of material that got a lot of different takes that you could only get on bootlegs, and never have heard before.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 05 2021 at 06:54
Man With Hat wrote:
23 versions of Wot's...Uh The Big Deal, each one with increased reverb on the highest tom. |
In all honesty? I have all the Floyd material I will ever need…most especially after the recent early year boxsets they released with live gigs and studio/radio work which had never had a proper release up until then. The 1969: Dramatis-ation is a personal fave.
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