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    Posted: September 10 2021 at 04:13
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

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 4 stars Then Play On (1969)
 3 stars Mystery to Me (1973)
 4 stars Fleetwood Mac (1975)
 5 stars Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)

If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
It's a Mystery to Me why anyone would think the Rumours album is overrated. Smile
Is it really such a mystery I find those two mentioned songs pretty dull and mediocre (they obviously are), and that the album would be better had they chosen the gorgeous Silver Springs over any of them? Stevie Nicks certainly agrees with me, as she eventually quit the band (years later) because her song was dropped.

I don't want to know is comfortably the most dispensable, disposable song on that album.  I am not very much fond of Don't Stop but it was undeniably a hot. And again, nothing wrong as such with the song.  That's the thing with Rumours overall.  The touches of then contemporary pop/rock sensibilities in songs like Dreams or You Make Loving Fun is very tasteful while songs like Second Hand News just hew towards more traditional genres.  It's like a gateway folk-rock album with pop-rock touches. 
Yes, and I still love the album (and never actually wrote that I considered it to be overrated), but the last three minutes of this are among my favorite three minutes of Fleetwood Mac. 


I think all of their albums are quite patchy really. But at their best their best - they are the best (in popular music).

Yes, I do agree that it would have been a much better track to have than either Don't Stop or I don't want to know.  I think it was a bit of a Genesis like situation - too many good songwriters and not enough songs to accommodate everyone and with Lindsey somewhat hogging up the credits. 
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

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 4 stars Then Play On (1969)
 3 stars Mystery to Me (1973)
 4 stars Fleetwood Mac (1975)
 5 stars Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)

If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
It's a Mystery to Me why anyone would think the Rumours album is overrated. Smile
Is it really such a mystery I find those two mentioned songs pretty dull and mediocre (they obviously are), and that the album would be better had they chosen the gorgeous Silver Springs over any of them? Stevie Nicks certainly agrees with me, as she eventually quit the band (years later) because her song was dropped.

I don't want to know is comfortably the most dispensable, disposable song on that album.  I am not very much fond of Don't Stop but it was undeniably a hot. And again, nothing wrong as such with the song.  That's the thing with Rumours overall.  The touches of then contemporary pop/rock sensibilities in songs like Dreams or You Make Loving Fun is very tasteful while songs like Second Hand News just hew towards more traditional genres.  It's like a gateway folk-rock album with pop-rock touches. 
Yes, and I still love the album (and never actually wrote that I considered it to be overrated), but the last three minutes of this are among my favorite three minutes of Fleetwood Mac. 


I think all of their albums are quite patchy really. But at their best their best - they are the best (in popular music).
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Surprisingly, "Then Play On" was voted the top album in a recent PA poll.....

1. Then Play On (50 points)
2. Rumours (34 points)
3. Bare Trees (21 points)
4. Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac (20 points)
5. Tango in the Night (14 points)
6. Fleetwood Mac 1975 (12 points)
7. Tusk (11 points)
7. Kiln House (11 points)

9. Future Games (10 points)
10. Heroes Are Hard to Find (9 points)
 
11. English Rose (8 points)
12. Mirage (7 points)

PA has spoken and they deem Then Play On worthy.  I'll check it out. I've never listened to that one.


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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think behind DSOtM it is the most repressed album of the past 30yrs. You speak to any record store owner and the two records they cite as most regular sellers and consistently top sellers are DSOtM and Rumours.

Listeners, especially the young, are discovering how brilliant both of these albums are every year.


As with the songs 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'Stairway to Heaven' those albums tend to suffer from over familiarity, as excellent as they all are.

Both these albums have proven to be timeless....

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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

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 4 stars Then Play On (1969)
 3 stars Mystery to Me (1973)
 4 stars Fleetwood Mac (1975)
 5 stars Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)

If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
It's a Mystery to Me why anyone would think the Rumours album is overrated. Smile
Is it really such a mystery I find those two mentioned songs pretty dull and mediocre (they obviously are), and that the album would be better had they chosen the gorgeous Silver Springs over any of them? Stevie Nicks certainly agrees with me, as she eventually quit the band (years later) because her song was dropped.

I don't want to know is comfortably the most dispensable, disposable song on that album.  I am not very much fond of Don't Stop but it was undeniably a hit. And again, nothing wrong as such with the song.  That's the thing with Rumours overall.  The touches of then contemporary pop/rock sensibilities in songs like Dreams or You Make Loving Fun is very tasteful while songs like Second Hand News just hew towards more traditional genres.  It's like a gateway folk-rock album with pop-rock touches. 


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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think behind DSOtM it is the most repressed album of the past 30yrs. You speak to any record store owner and the two records they cite as most regular sellers and consistently top sellers are DSOtM and Rumours.

Listeners, especially the young, are discovering how brilliant both of these albums are every year.


As with the songs 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'Stairway to Heaven' those albums tend to suffer from over familiarity, as excellent as they all are.

Both these albums have proven to be timeless....
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Please, Paul, don't pretend your polls are PA polls. They are your polls, with your points system and with a very limited number of participants, so with no statistical value whatsoever. Don't confound yourself with PA, your polls are Psychedelic Paul polls.

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Surprisingly, "Then Play On" was voted the top album in a recent PA poll.....

1. Then Play On (50 points)
2. Rumours (34 points)
3. Bare Trees (21 points)
4. Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac (20 points)
5. Tango in the Night (14 points)
6. Fleetwood Mac 1975 (12 points)
7. Tusk (11 points)
7. Kiln House (11 points)

9. Future Games (10 points)
10. Heroes Are Hard to Find (9 points)
 
11. English Rose (8 points)
12. Mirage (7 points)
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I've never purchased it mainly because I've heard many of the songs so many times so don't see the point. I doubt it's overrated but it's comfortable mainstream rock/pop for people that don't want too much in the way of challenging music. It's not boring though as the songs are unique and different.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

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 4 stars Then Play On (1969)
 3 stars Mystery to Me (1973)
 4 stars Fleetwood Mac (1975)
 5 stars Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)

If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
It's a Mystery to Me why anyone would think the Rumours album is overrated. Smile
Is it really such a mystery I find those two mentioned songs pretty dull and mediocre (they obviously are), and that the album would be better had they chosen the gorgeous Silver Springs over any of them? Stevie Nicks certainly agrees with me, as she eventually quit the band (years later) because her song was dropped.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

 4 stars Then Play On (1969)
 3 stars Mystery to Me (1973)
 4 stars Fleetwood Mac (1975)
 5 stars Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)

If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
It's a Mystery to Me why anyone would think the Rumours album is overrated. Smile
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think behind DSOtM it is the most repressed album of the past 30yrs. You speak to any record store owner and the two records they cite as most regular sellers and consistently top sellers are DSOtM and Rumours.

Listeners, especially the young, are discovering how brilliant both of these albums are every year.


As with the songs 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'Stairway to Heaven' those albums tend to suffer from over familiarity, as excellent as they all are.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

 4 stars Then Play On (1969)
 3 stars Mystery to Me (1973)
 4 stars Fleetwood Mac (1975)
 5 stars Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)

If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
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I think behind DSOtM it is the most repressed album of the past 30yrs. You speak to any record store owner and the two records they cite as most regular sellers and consistently top sellers are DSOtM and Rumours.

Listeners, especially the young, are discovering how brilliant both of these albums are every year.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

no, it's not overrated


I agree, though I just prefer it's eponymous predecessor, but would rate both albums 5/5 stars.
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no, it's not overrated
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I totally agree on the overly-long "Tusk" double-album, which would have been much better released as a single album without Lindsey Buckingham's demos recorded in his garage. Confused 

Well I love the Buckingham songs on Tusk, personally I would have kept them and the Stevie Nicks songs and gotten rid of the McVie ones.
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Yeah, I think "Tusk" is the more overrated one.. I like "Rumours", and I think it gets a lot of praise because there's no junk on it, but outside of "The Chain" there's nothing GREAT like "Dark Side of the Moon" which is all GREAT.
I totally agree on the overly-long "Tusk" double-album, which would have been much better released as a single album without Lindsey Buckingham's demos recorded in his garage. Confused 

As for "Rumours", it's my favourite Fleetwood Mac album and I love all the songs on there, so I don't think it's overrated at all. Thumbs Up

 3 stars Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac (1968)
 3 stars Mr. Wonderful (1968)
 4 stars The Pious Bird of Good Omen (1969)
 4 stars Then Play On (1969)
 4 stars Kiln House (1970)
 4 stars Future Games (1971)
 4 stars Bare Trees (1972)
 3 stars Penguin (1973)
 3 stars Mystery to Me (1973)
 4 stars Heroes Are Hard to Find (1974)
 4 stars Fleetwood Mac (1975)
 5 stars Rumours (1977)
 4 stars Tusk (1979)
 5 stars Mirage (1982)
 5 stars Tango in the Night (1987)
 4 stars Behind the Mask (1990)
 4 stars Time (1995)
 4 stars Say You Will (2003)


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Yeah, I think "Tusk" is the more overrated one.. I like "Rumours", and I think it gets a lot of praise because there's no junk on it, but outside of "The Chain" there's nothing GREAT like "Dark Side of the Moon" which is all GREAT.
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It's a very good album. It was their DSOTM, I guess in terms of commercial breakthrough and importance in their catalogue, and in defining their sound with Buckingham/Nicks.

I think Tusk is somewhat over praised, usually by people who think Rumours is very overrated, but I've always found it lacking in quality songs.

There's some gems on later albums; Mirage and Tango in the Night. Gypsy is probably my favourite Nicks song. Her performance gives me goosebumps on that track.
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