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    Posted: July 21 2011 at 19:07
Smile Does the genre of "Mathcore" belong under the progressive music definition? I'm neutral on the subject at the moment. I would like some opinions.
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Points: 13298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2011 at 19:35
Well a number of mathcore bands are included in the tech/extreme genre, but it is clearly stated in the genre definition that technicality alone does not infer progressiveness, so technically (ha) no, it shouldn't. Only bands that really push the envelope on mathcore are included on PA, such as The Dillinger Escape Plan, Protest the Hero, or even Meshuggah (who in a sense are mathcore, although not in the traditional "crazy ass shred metal" sense" 
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Points: 65305 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2011 at 19:38
I would say it resides more under the metallic/hardcore music definition though some acts may be progressive, as Andy mentioned Dillinger Escape Plan (here in ExTech Metal); the outgrowth of and early versions of what is now sometimes called 'mathcore' came out of a Noise/Hardcore root though it took influence from what the Mathrock bands were doing.  Also the term mathcore/math-metal tends to be more descriptive than official





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Points: 1882 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2011 at 17:21
I would say the vast majority of math metal and mathcore are progressive, but I also have a much looser defonition of prog than this site does. my definition of prog just has low standards i guess ; )
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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2011 at 11:36
Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

Well a number of mathcore bands are included in the tech/extreme genre, but it is clearly stated in the genre definition that technicality alone does not infer progressiveness, so technically (ha) no, it shouldn't. Only bands that really push the envelope on mathcore are included on PA, such as The Dillinger Escape Plan, Protest the Hero, or even Meshuggah (who in a sense are mathcore, although not in the traditional "crazy ass shred metal" sense" 
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2011 at 07:16
No, it has its roots in punk/hardcore.
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2011 at 07:18
Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

I would say the vast majority of math metal and mathcore are progressive, but I also have a much looser defonition of prog than this site does. my definition of prog just has low standards i guess ; )
I would say the vast majority of math metal and mathcore are progressive technical
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Points: 21795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2011 at 10:35
Although I enjoy quite a few of these bands they do not belong in the archives. I'll wait for Joel to see this thread and explain away. Tongue
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Points: 901 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2011 at 15:16
I listen to a lot of Protest The Hero, and I think they fit in the archives just fine. To be fair, though, I don't listen to many other mathcore bands. So my opinion is based on the one band
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Points: 65305 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2011 at 17:51
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

I would say the vast majority of math metal and mathcore are progressive, but I also have a much looser defonition of prog than this site does. my definition of prog just has low standards i guess ; )
I would say the vast majority of math metal and mathcore are progressive technical


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