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Topic: Math Metal/ Mathcore
Posted By: elder08
Subject: Math Metal/ Mathcore
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 19:07
Smile Does the genre of "Mathcore" belong under the progressive music definition? I'm neutral on the subject at the moment. I would like some opinions.

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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 19:35
Well a number of mathcore bands are included in the tech/extreme genre, but it is clearly stated in the genre definition that technicality alone does not infer progressiveness, so technically (ha) no, it shouldn't. Only bands that really push the envelope on mathcore are included on PA, such as The Dillinger Escape Plan, Protest the Hero, or even Meshuggah (who in a sense are mathcore, although not in the traditional "crazy ass shred metal" sense" 

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 19:38
I would say it resides more under the metallic/hardcore music definition though some acts may be progressive, as Andy mentioned Dillinger Escape Plan (here in ExTech Metal); the outgrowth of and early versions of what is now sometimes called 'mathcore' came out of a Noise/Hardcore root though it took influence from what the Mathrock bands were doing.  Also the term mathcore/math-metal tends to be more descriptive than official





Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 17:21
I would say the vast majority of math metal and mathcore are progressive, but I also have a much looser defonition of prog than this site does. my definition of prog just has low standards i guess ; )

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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: July 23 2011 at 11:36
Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

Well a number of mathcore bands are included in the tech/extreme genre, but it is clearly stated in the genre definition that technicality alone does not infer progressiveness, so technically (ha) no, it shouldn't. Only bands that really push the envelope on mathcore are included on PA, such as The Dillinger Escape Plan, Protest the Hero, or even Meshuggah (who in a sense are mathcore, although not in the traditional "crazy ass shred metal" sense" 
I am somewhere among these lines


Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 07:16
No, it has its roots in punk/hardcore.

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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 07:18
Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

I would say the vast majority of math metal and mathcore are progressive, but I also have a much looser defonition of prog than this site does. my definition of prog just has low standards i guess ; )
I would say the vast majority of math metal and mathcore are progressive technical

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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 10:35
Although I enjoy quite a few of these bands they do not belong in the archives. I'll wait for Joel to see this thread and explain away. Tongue

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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 15:16
I listen to a lot of Protest The Hero, and I think they fit in the archives just fine. To be fair, though, I don't listen to many other mathcore bands. So my opinion is based on the one band

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 17:51
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

I would say the vast majority of math metal and mathcore are progressive, but I also have a much looser defonition of prog than this site does. my definition of prog just has low standards i guess ; )
I would say the vast majority of math metal and mathcore are progressive technical


yes good distinction





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