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wodaemang 
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Posted: July 04 2006 at 18:38 |
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i would say there is such a thing seeing as how many of the groups of hte hip hop "counter-culture" such as anticon and anti-pop consortum...i recommend some of you guys checking it out, would any of you agree that there is such a thing as progressive hip hop/rap?
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Teaflax
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Posted: July 04 2006 at 19:12 |
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Again; DJ Shadow's Endtroducing... came out in 1996. Much of what's on
Ninja Tune and Mo' Wax is definitely forward-looking and as far from
the mainstream of Rap as good Prog is from mainstream Rock.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 04 2006 at 19:20 |
Here's a recommendation:  (David Holmes Presents The Free Association) Not exactly Rap, but as close as my CD collection gets to Rap. 
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: July 04 2006 at 22:10 |
Only Bad can come out of Prog Rap.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 04 2006 at 22:15 |
Yikes, seems like a terrible "Deja Vou".
Iván
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verslibre
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 00:49 |
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"Prog Rap."
Scary.
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Teaflax
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 00:58 |
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The open-mindedness is palpable. :P
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wodaemang
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 01:48 |
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all i have to say is way to be open minded.... some prog fans are incredibly closed minded
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Australian
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 02:26 |
Tencnically Rap is spoken lyrics so Steve Hackett's Dalktown is a rap.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 03:02 |
 wodaemang wrote:
all i have to say is way to be open minded.... some prog fans are incredibly closed minded |
One simple question:
There's a thread about Prog Metal, and I read many people saying they HATE Prog Metal but nobody has accused them of being close minded.
Why in hell can't we hate RAP???????
Iván
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Dalkaen
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 03:15 |
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I'd be very interesting in checking out some "prog rap." I know there has to be some validity in this genre somewhere.
Edited by Dalkaen - July 05 2006 at 05:06
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Rocktopus
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 03:23 |
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Be an open-minded hater all you want to, Ivan, and maybe just stay away
from the thread? It starts with an innocent and valid question.
My answer is yes, of course. All genres can be progressive. No
intention of trying to get any Hip Hop included in the archives or
anything.
Again I'd like to reccomend Deep Puddle Dynamics: The Tate of
Rain...Why Kneel . Its really the whole Anticon (nine of them)
collective on one record. Not the most prog or experimental I've ever
heard, just the best. It's intelligent, complex and ends with a
multipart (five parts) suite.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 06:24 |
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Sorry I've been with prog since the very start, when 'progressive' in prog music or rock meant what it said. So in my mind, the hybridisation of rock with any other musical genre has always been valid - although not a fan of 99% of rap, rap is as valid as the next music - if the result sounds good. Therefore I get very pissed at these johnny come lately fans of prog who pontificate on what isn't acceptable, and liberally misuse the word "hate" (call yourselves 'retro prog fans' guys). The discussion has been done here too many times with punk - when there are recordings that show that the likes of Fripp, Hillage, Hammell, Chris Spedding have recorded punk music. Again with rap - as stated several times before in PA, reputable prog artists such as Jon Anderson are into rap (check his collaboration with Bela Fleck) - as has been written about the late Miles Davis.
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:00 |
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Listen to Deltron 3030 and then tell me you hate rap. This is some of the most progressive music I've heard in ages.
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Trickster F.
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:03 |
Root Pepper wrote:
Listen to Deltron 3030 and then tell me you hate rap. This is some of the most progressive music I've heard in ages. |
Other recommended Prog Hip Hop albums include:
cLOUDDEAD - s/t
Madvillain - Madvillainy
rjd2 - dead ringer
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing...
Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
Dalek - Absence
-- Ivan
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 08:40 |
ivansfr0st wrote:
Other recommended Prog Hip Hop albums include:
Dalek - Absence
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Yes indeed! 
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Zadok
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 11:04 |
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Dalek are brilliant. Patton-heads should also check out his General Patton vs the X-ecutioners project, on Ipecac. Not sure if that's the right spelling...
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 17:21 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Be an open-minded hater all you want to, Ivan, and maybe just stay away from the thread? It starts with an innocent and valid question.
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Why should I stay away? People with all freedom say here they hatr Genesis, Yes,or in even more cases ELP, people say they hate Prog Metal, why should we stay quiet about Rap?
In firdst place this thread should be in non Prog music, because like it or not, Rap is not Prog in this forum and I believe in no Prog Forum.
Iván
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Philéas
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:03 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Why should I stay away? People with all freedom
say here they hatr Genesis, Yes,or in even more cases ELP, people say
they hate Prog Metal, why should we stay quiet about Rap?
In firdst place this thread should be in non Prog music, because
like it or not, Rap is not Prog in this forum and I believe in no Prog
Forum.
Iván |
No one wants to start a fight here. As far as I have understood things,
no one has told you not to critisize rap, so there's nothing to feel
insulted about. You have full freedom to hate rap. 
However, you are definitely right about this thread being in the wrong
place. Because there isn't any progressive rap (if such a thing exists)
in the archives yet. It was good that you pointed this out
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pepo
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:12 |
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There's an After Crying Song from De Profundis Called Modern Idok (modern times) that is sung in a vaguely rap style with the orchestra in the background and some reply by the female choir. I don't think it was a bad song but it's not my favourite one. I don't think that rap would meet prog successfully because rap is like vocal improvisation and in prog the vocals must be at the same level as the music. I think it would be a step backwards.
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