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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


In the seventies the term 'prog' was a narrow corridor
The term ‘prog,’ in fact an abbreviation that has gained a good measure of new meaning, did not exist in the seventies, as progressive rock was a more narrowly defined genre with a limited number of bands recognized under that label. Even Pink Floyd wasn't considered progressive rock; rather, they were a psychedelic rock band. The term “progressive rock” emerged in the late 1960s as a way to describe a new wave of underground music that sought to push the boundaries of rock music through complex compositions, innovative instrumentation, and eclectic structure, often featuring medieval folk and classical music sounds. However, during the seventies, when progressive rock was in its heyday, the shorthand “prog,” a much broader category where one can put both Yes and Rush and Pink Floyd and Return to Forever and Tangerine Dream and Dream Theater, did not exist.


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I could tell Rush was prog when I was eleven and bought Hemispheres ... and I didn't even know what prog was.

Nice try.

Rush was a typical hard rock band at the time when they released Hemispheres. In the same league with Blue Öyster Cult, Rainbow, or UFO.

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^Uhh... no.
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Originally posted by Mishkou Mishkou wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

give us an explanation for your conclusion?
Rush wasn't a progressive rock band at the time when they were a current band because their sound was firmly rooted in hard rock, characterized by powerful guitar riffs and a driving rhythm that set them apart from the more experimental and symphonic elements typical of progressive rock. Now, one can categorize them as prog, but it's hindsight because nobody considered them progressive rock back then.

I'm sorry but that is utter rubbish. Admittedly, my first exposure to Rush was Signals in 1982, when I was 14, but by then they were certainly considered much more aligned with Genesis, Yes & Pink Floyd style 'prog' than anything from the hard rock category... that is in the English Midlands, at any rate?
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Originally posted by Mishkou Mishkou wrote:

[Rush was a typical hard rock band at the time when they released Hemispheres. In the same league with Blue Öyster Cult, Rainbow, or UFO.

I really can only put this down to you coming from LA, where band categorisations may have been different, because what you are describing certainly wasn't my formative experience?
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Originally posted by Mishkou Mishkou wrote:

Rush was a typical hard rock band at the time when they released Hemispheres. In the same league with Blue Öyster Cult, Rainbow, or UFO.

"same league"?! What does that even mean?! Confused
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Mishkou Mishkou wrote:

[Rush was a typical hard rock band at the time when they released Hemispheres. In the same league with Blue Öyster Cult, Rainbow, or UFO.

I really can only put this down to you coming from LA, where band categorisations may have been different, because what you are describing certainly wasn't my formative experience?
I, for one, absolutely agree with Mishkou. My formative experience as a West European rock music listener tells me that acoustic guitar intros and some atmospheric passages here and there featuring keyboards can be heard on the many albums of the 70s hard rock bands with a more artistic approach than, e.g., Kiss or AC/DC. Rush was regarded as a hard rock band in the same way as, for instance, Uriah Heep, Led Zeppelin, Blue Öyster Cult, Rainbow, and underrated UFO.

Of course, in the meantime, "prog" became a broad classification for various genres, so any slightly sophisticated hard rock band could be easily proclaimed as a heavy prog or prog-related band.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Mishkou Mishkou wrote:

Rush was a typical hard rock band at the time when they released Hemispheres. In the same league with Blue Öyster Cult, Rainbow, or UFO.

"same league"?! What does that even mean?! Confused

I think he means 'stylistically similar', but I really don't see it at all... if anything, Hemispheres era Rush had more in common with Eloy and even Nektar than any of these?
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There's a huge thread about this still active (and i bet this was discussed to death in the past)
Indeed. I'm a newbie to this forum; however, I've already witnessed debates regarding the progressive classification of Rush before, on other web locations. Indeed, "Is Rush progressive rock?" isn't the first time such a question has arisen. Nevertheless, from what's being said, one could infer that, while this question might still recur at least in their time of high, Rush was never a progressive rock band but a hard rock band.

In the domain of progressive rock, there prevails an unequivocal consensus regarding the bands such as Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Yes, VdGG, and Genesis; despite their individual styles, they are universally regarded as paragons of the genre; however, with regard to Rush, this assertion does not really hold true.

It is a fact that back in the 1970s, Rush was considered to be a hard rock band. Although some might want to refer to Rush as "heavy prog" as absolute truth, one has to realise that this kind of categorisation cannot change how rock history really happened. "Heavy prog" is an artificial genre heading that did not exist at that time. 

While personal interpretations of what the musical groupings mean are valid, they cannot rewrite history regarding what happened in progressive rock or remove the fact that certain labels, such as "heavy prog," did not exist at that time.
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Quote an artificial genre heading that did not exist at that time
Honestly, I think that music genres are artificial by definition and thus, whether they're created in real time or retroactively doesn't matter. At the end of the day, the existence of music genres serves its purpose - it helps listeners as well as musicians find the music they enjoy more easily.
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