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Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

^ That would be a welcomed move, but I wouldn't hold my breath there. 


Have you actually taken a look in what/who's on the list?ShockedWink

We'd have to save half to 2/3 of them and send them elsewhere in the DB.
I mean some (a lot) of them are indusputably belonging to Prog-Related.
90% of the polemic is from those high-profile additions, the rest is quite OK to me. 
And I would may be approve of a partial clean-up from those bands (including Tory Amos and Oingo in upper subgenres)
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I'd be comfortable with them as Prog Related particularly since I got interested in them with Synchronicity which is their most prog related album.  I never went back beyond Zenyatta in adding albums of theirs to my collection.  And I kinda agree with Sean that there are a lot of artists in crossover that would be at home in prog related.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The Police are one of the biggest bands in rock music, they were at the top of the world for years. I think they would be in my Top 10 Bands of all time.

Both Andy and Stewart came from progy bands, but I really don't think they created any of The Police music with prog in mind. They don't need to be listed on PA database, in any sub genre.


This.

Great band, but they are not prog and are barely bordering on prog related. Same goes for Talking Heads.

I totally agree. Next thing you know, there'll be calls for the Stranglers to be added to ProgArchives. Wink


Yeah, I'd go for that!

In all seriousness...I wouldn't
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Oingo Boingo got in solely on their final album, which was a departure from their earlier circus inspired dark humor tracks.  The album blends Danny Elfman's orchestral soundtrack experience with even darker lyrics, and replaces the circus with a grotesque sideshow.  Progressive? Yes.  That album fills the bill.  Previouslt, they had smatterings of prog, and even I, a big OB fan, would not have voted yes.
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As for the Police, with their pedigree I would think they could be prog-related.  But that is not my decision to make.  They have maybe 3 or 4 songs that I think could qualify as crossover prog, nothing close to an album.
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Not that this was some kind of official discussion to start with, but as a fan of Police personally here's where we stand regarding some questions raised if anyone is interested (feel free to continue in a relaxed tone or devolve this into a general Police appreciation thread otherwise):

1) Unless the admin team gets packed with people who are really into the idea, it's not gonna happen. And the situation at the moment is that there are no chances for Police to get on the site any time soon.

2) We still don't remove artists unless there has been some addition errors (can't really do it cleanly on the technical side either), so unless there is some strong case for it, we're not gonna do anything about it. Also, even for the borderline artists, not everyone would be happy with losing content like reviews.

3) If there is some great desire for a clean-up of misjudged artists, I'd rather be up for downward promotion of already existing bands  from a full prog genre to prog related, than outright removal. There were some weird additions but I don't think we're on a slippery slope of any kind, it's just a point of cosmetics at this point. Like for some reason we have Nine Inch Nails in crossover but no one has been suggesting pure industrial rock acts as far as I know.
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Oingo Boingo got in solely on their final album, which was a departure from their earlier circus inspired dark humor tracks.  The album blends Danny Elfman's orchestral soundtrack experience with even darker lyrics, and replaces the circus with a grotesque sideshow.  Progressive? Yes.  That album fills the bill.  Previouslt, they had smatterings of prog, and even I, a big OB fan, would not have voted yes.


OK, thanks for the specification, since you seem to be the main artisan of their inclusion.

I guess it's the same case with Talk Talk being here for thir last two albums, which pioneered Post Rock

Originally posted by historian9 historian9 wrote:

3) If there is some great desire for a clean-up of misjudged artists, I'd rather be up for downward promotion of already existing bands  from a full prog genre to prog related, than outright removal. There were some weird additions but I don't think we're on a slippery slope of any kind, it's just a point of cosmetics at this point.


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My personal take on The Police is that Outlandos will always be my fave and that Regatta and Zenatta were carbon copies of their debut, and less artiistically successfull. Ghost is a weird thingie, because it's not that much of a Police album (less so than Synchronicity, IMHO). As for the last (and arguably proggier), it's really awfully recorded: sounds like a chicken shack or outdoor latrines. Can't believe that with the money they made with Ghost, they would actually stoop down to such bad sonics. Paghdam should've been fired, IMHO
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^ Their riches went up their noses 😂
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Last night on date night my mrs was playing a carpenters playlist...calling occupants of interplanatary craft...that song is more prog than the police stuff i've heard...and no one is suggesting inclusion of the carpenters as prog related...
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Last night on date night my mrs was playing a carpenters playlist...calling occupants of interplanatary craft...that song is more prog than the police stuff i've heard...and no one is suggesting inclusion of the carpenters as prog related...


The original of that cover ....


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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

 
 
Why do Talking Heads qualify to be part of this site as Prog Related...
 
...while The Police do not qualify to be part of this site at all?
 

easy... listen to the music.. other than being from the same era..  with punk roots they evolved into completely different and different sounding bands. 

the best comparison to the Police are not the Talking Heads but Asia...  pretty much zero prog or art rock musical content.. or much of any influence on modern prog.. but bands made up of musicians with strong ties to older prog bands.  Note that Asia were added solely on the strength of those ties.. and were added in the first days of the site unilaterilly by the site owner. and once the site established guidelines for addition...

not another band was added to this site based on ties to prog... but additions were musical based.. thus the Police were never added.


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I love The Police. I've loved their music ever since I first heard "Message in a Bottle", back in 1979. That being said, the fact I love them does not make them prog, or even related. The fact that all three band members were involved with prog bands at some point of their career had no bearing on the music they produced. If we start adding bands because one or more of their members were involved with prog bands, you know what's next in line? Motorhead LOL. 

Unfortunately, it seems that here previous affiliations either qualify or disqualify a band/artist for addition. Based merely on MUSIC, The Stranglers have a much stronger case for addition than The Police, but their connections to punk have prevented them from being added to the DB.

In my humble opinion, the strongest prog connection The Police have is in the way their sound influenced '80s Rush. Just listen to Reggatta de Blanc and Signals back to back - or even the song "Vital Signs" from Moving Pictures.
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The Police are not a prog rock band.  They are English new wave/ reggae. I have been a fan of theirs for decades.  I own all their albums and a few of Sting's solo records.  
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Originally posted by Boots Boots wrote:

The Police are not a prog rock band.  They are English new wave/ reggae. I have been a fan of theirs for decades.  I own all their albums and a few of Sting's solo records.  

nobody says they are, they are not suggested for a prog subgenre, but for prog-related. 

also whoever resurrected this thread - Thumbs Down
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Boots Boots wrote:

The Police are not a prog rock band.  They are English new wave/ reggae. I have been a fan of theirs for decades.  I own all their albums and a few of Sting's solo records.  

nobody says they are, they are not suggested for a prog subgenre, but for prog-related. 

also whoever resurrected this thread - Thumbs Down

sheesh man.. who pissed in your corn flakes this morning.  The damn thread is only two weeks old.....here.. have a thumbs down yourself Thumbs DownLOLHeart
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

 Motorhead  


can't wait for that thread....LOL  
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Boots Boots wrote:

The Police are not a prog rock band.  They are English new wave/ reggae. I have been a fan of theirs for decades.  I own all their albums and a few of Sting's solo records.  

nobody says they are, they are not suggested for a prog subgenre, but for prog-related. 

also whoever resurrected this thread - Thumbs Down

sheesh man.. who pissed in your corn flakes this morning.  The damn thread is only two weeks old.....here.. have a thumbs down yourself Thumbs DownLOLHeart

six days of nice an' quiet were good, I'm just tired of the whole "if X is here, then so should Y" logic, there was a newbie that suggested Tears for Fears twice in the same day. 

But I guess people like these kinds of threads, after all it's got 4 pages already. Ouch

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not everyone has been here for years and until 'PA's: The Movie' is released (though it may not happen as my agent told me to hold out for more money from that tightwad f**king M@X and no movie about this site can happen without me i suppose haha) and people finally get the dope on the colorful history of the site we will always see these threads having to explain how additions here once worked here and the criteria we used... and why bands like this were not added.. 

and yeah..  subtlety has never been a strong suite of mine...  
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

not everyone has been here for years and until 'PA's: The Movie' is released (though it may not happen as my agent told me to hold out for more money from that tightwad f**king M@X and no movie about this site can happen without me i suppose haha) and people finally get the dope on the colorful history of the site we will always see these threads having to explain how additions here once worked here and the criteria we used... and why bands like this were not added.. 

and yeah..  subtlety has never been a strong suite of mine...  


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