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zFrogs 
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 Posted: October 26 2006 at 11:40 |
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Well, The flowers Kings is far from "Unique Sound". So what? They are fantastic musicians, the songs are greats and make me feels good. In these days one prog band that play symphonic like seventies bands is fantastic. I have all TFK records and I enjoy it. I really would like to know more bands like TFK. For Prog Music is a sign of this style is more and more powerful today. YES is one of my favorite bands but today Flower Kings released better records than YES.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 11:56 |
I don't hate them, or really even dislike them. What I've heard just hasn't grabbed me. I am in my 40's, but like many of the newer artists (including Spock's Beard). I also don't give anything a pass because it might be a bit derivative. So what if it's more accessible than other genres (I'm a big Zeuhl fan as well). If it's good music, that's all that matters. 
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 14:00 |
TFK doesn't sound like Yes, it could be that they sound like a mix between yes, Crimson and even some ELP thrown there...but they add their own original character.... also, if you sound like a mix of a lot of bands, don't you have a unique sound? That's the uniqueness! They show they have prog-rock culture at paying tribute to many older musicians....
And, as somebody else correctly pointed out, remember: there was KAIPA. We may not know a lot about them (maybe 'cause their old albums were in swede), but they were around in the 70's, and guess who their lead guitar was? Roine Stolt! So I think he has all the right in this world to make his band sound like a 70's outfit, for he himself comes from that era.... Or tell me, what other band that was alive in the 70's still sound great today, or even more, PROGRESSES? Yes? Magnification was good but surely not NEW, Genesis? Dead, and their members? pop-millionaires (hackett tries at least)... Jethro Tull? They were touring my country when I still lived there: they haven't changed a bit... ELP? dead.
So thank God we have at leats one band that can give us music reminiscent of that era.... and rightfull so, for their member WAS THERE.
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Scapler
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 16:27 |
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They aren't the best, but they are are my iPod, and I enjoy them from now to then.
And where else besides Paradox Hotel will you find a good song from the perspective of Hitler?
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salmacis
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 16:32 |
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'Bavarian Skies'? Well that was an obvious indulgence but at least it was short unlike some of their 10 minute ambles...
I never heard the original Kaipa albums, but I really didn't like 'Keyholder' much at all. A derivative, lumpen ragbag that made even TFK sound cohesive and innovative! Actually to be fair I don't mind TFK at all when they write songs...
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Scapler
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 16:34 |
 salmacis wrote:
'Bavarian Skies'? Well that was an obvious indulgence but at least it was short unlike some of their 10 minute ambles...
I never heard the original Kaipa albums, but I really didn't like 'Keyholder' much at all. A derivative, lumpen ragbag that made even TFK sound cohesive and innovative! Actually to be fair I don't mind TFK at all when they write songs... |
Yeah "Bavarian Skies"! 'Cha...
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Dirk
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 17:08 |
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I like Bavarian Skies , nothing wrong with that song as far as i'm concerned. Then again i'm a diehard TFK fan.
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greenback
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 19:03 |
i'm 39, and i like TFK very much!
i'm a die hard fan of about any prog sub genre regardless of the era, except krautrock & post rock.
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 19:34 |
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1. over-produced
2. under-original IMO
but then again, I just can't get into any kind of neo-prog.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 20:10 |
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I have a hard time understanding those who call TFK unoriginal... then again, maybe I just haven't heard the Yes/Genesis tracks that TFK were ripping off with songs like Rumble Fish Twist, Devil's Danceschool, Devil's Playground, Too Late For Tomatoes, Rhythm Of The Sea, The Unorthodox Dancinglesson, Psychedelic Postcard, and just about everything else.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 20:49 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
1. over-produced
2. under-original IMO
but then again, I just can't get into any kind of neo-prog.
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Sorry, but TFK ain't Neo Prog. 
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 20:55 |
Once again....
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all.
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 20:55 |
stonebeard wrote:
Once again....
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all. |
The ever popular Mike Patton defense?
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 20:56 |
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Once again....
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all. |
The ever popular Mike Patton defense?
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I find it works well in an increasing number of situations. 
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 20:57 |
stonebeard wrote:
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Once again....
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all. |
The ever popular Mike Patton defense?
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I find it works well in an increasing number of situations. |
So it seems to be nowadays. Could it have proved OJ's innocence? Well, that's another story. 
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:02 |
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Once again....
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all. |
The ever popular Mike Patton defense?
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I find it works well in an increasing number of situations. |
So it seems to be nowadays. Could it have proved OJ's innocence? Well, that's another story.
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No, but the Chewbacca defense could have. 
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:04 |
stonebeard wrote:
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Once again....
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all. |
The ever popular Mike Patton defense?
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I find it works well in an increasing number of situations. |
So it seems to be nowadays. Could it have proved OJ's innocence? Well, that's another story.
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No, but the Chewbacca defense could have. |
The Chewbacca defense could get anyone out of anything. But enough of this, we're getting way off topic here.
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 22:20 |
stonebeard wrote:
Once again....
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all. |
I'm pretty sure I just fell in love with you.
I'm going to use that quote as my signiture, if that's alright with you. (the first time I've changed my signiture ever here)
Edited by BePinkTheater - October 26 2006 at 22:22
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 22:24 |
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richardh
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 02:32 |
..but you might get the RSPCA onto you
btw originality and musical brilliance are not mutually exclusive.
Lets say you have one peice of music that is brilliantly played but derivative of Yes and another which is original and also briliantly played.What would you choose? I've already got all the classic Yes releases.I now want something different thanks.Originality does count IMO.
Edited by richardh - October 27 2006 at 02:33
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