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The rest of the list of artists with biographies of less than 200 characters (about three lines) as it was at 7th February 2021. I checked all these again just now, and none have yet been improved: :

Symphonic Prog:
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1883 | Cousins and Conrad
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=10658 | Hot Flash

Psychedelic/Space Rock:
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=11527 | Space Druids
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=8093 | Shatter Projeckt / Shatter Project

Indo-Prog/Raga Rock:
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6212 | Kala 
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4397 | GHQ 

RIO/Avant-Prog:
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9622 | Tanz

Canterbury Scene:
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=10380 | Ocarinah

Zeuhl:
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=10810 | Zig Zag 

Proto-Prog
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=10467 | Ford Theatre
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^^^^ Great job, David!
I only wonder where can we find writers. Confused
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^ It's really Julien who we have to thank for these lists. He ran one of his scripts on the database back in February 2021 and sniffed out all the worst biographies (less than 200 characters, or about three lines of text). All I've done now is to separate the results out into their respective subs. Embarrassed

I've taken care of half a dozen or so of the original ones, and will continue to chip away at the Prog Metal ones, since that sub is the worst offender by far. I'm posting the new biographies directly in the Prog Metal team thread, and Cristi updates them almost straight away. Where we will find the writers to take care of the rest of these though, I have absolutely no idea! LOL
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^ When I looked at these lists I thought "Oh, David becomes a script-master!" Smile Now it's clear that automation comes from Julien, as usual.
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^ Yes, I asked Julien in the E&O thread if he could aim his weapon at our database and find out how many artists we have on the site with less than three lines in their biography. You can view the original results of his investigation from three and a half years ago here, but we never transferred the list over to this section of the forum at the time.

The issue of poor, single line biographies was raised again quite recently in the Prog Metal Team thread, so I thought I'd sort the remaining artists (which was all but about three of them lol!) from Julien's original list into the separate sub genres to make it easy for the team members to find them if they were ever feeling bored and wanted something to do.

It was done more in hope than expectation though. Although I'm going to try to bring the Prog Metal list down to something a bit more acceptable over the coming winter, I expect most of these lists will remain largely unaltered until the next ice age arrives! LOL
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^ Like one of the famous Russian humourists said, someone's heroism is the irresponsibility of the others.

There were days, at least as it seemed to me, when Prog Metal Team was trying to add more and more acts on PA with minimal attention to the quality of their additions. Now we see the results in the form of 3-line bios here and there. 
Don't want to throw stones at PMT, it's just my (probably wrong) observation. After all, there is nothing that can't be fixed.


Edited by NotAProghead - October 28 2024 at 14:16
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ Like one of the famous Russian humourists said, someone's heroism is the irresponsibility of the others.

There were days, at least as it seemed to me, when Prog Metal Team was trying to add more and more acts on PA with minimal attention to the quality of their additions. Now we see the results in the form of 3-line bios here and there. 
Don't want to throw stones at PMT, it's just my (probably wrong) observation. After all, there is nothing that can't be fixed.

No one from those days is in the current prog-metal team. 
We've lost three members since I've been in the team. 

I didn't know there were so many bands with one sentence biographies. I re-wrote a couple a few months ago, two bands I discovered in this state on my own. 


Edited by Cristi - October 28 2024 at 14:23
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

There were days, at least as it seemed to me, when Prog Metal Team was trying to add more and more acts on PA with minimal attention to the quality of their additions.

This all stemmed from the days when people could post new suggestions in the 'Suggest New Bands and Artists' section of the forum with just a line or two of text and hardly any info about the artist - no biography, no artist photo and often no listening links either. A large proportion of these new suggestions were for the Prog Metal sub, since that seems to be what most new up-and-coming bands want to play these days. The PM team in those days consisted of six members, not all of whom were very active, so it could be quite some time before there were enough votes cast for the team leader to either clear (and add) an artist, or reject them. The team therefore ended up being swamped with unfinished evaluations, and at one point there were over forty of them in their chart.

It got to the point where there just wasn't the time available for any research to be done into these artist's biographies, so in the end, in an effort to clear the backlog, many were added with just a simple one line statement for a biography. It was nobody's fault, just an unfortunate consequence of the way the new suggestions forum was being abused by several 'serial suggesters' that we had at the time.

When the new rules regarding the need for there to be an original biography and an artist photo provided before a suggestion could be followed up were introduced back in March 2020, these serial suggesters all disappeared, so we no longer have the problem. The Prog Metal team these days is much smaller and more efficient at completing its evaluations than it once was in any case.

We'll gradually get this list whittled down over the next few months, I'll make sure of that. Smile

Edit: Due to difficulties in getting minor typos and other little errors that weren't spotted until after the biographies had been added to the artists' pages fixed, I won't be writing any more of these biographies until such time as the PA admins trust me enough to allow me to access artist pages and edit any minor errors in the biographies myself. Since that isn't likely to happen any time soon, it appears that the list of prog metal artists with less than 200 character biographies will be frozen at 45 for a while.


Edited by yam yam - November 01 2024 at 22:00
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

^ It's really Julien who we have to thank for these lists. He ran one of his scripts on the database back in February 2021 and sniffed out all the worst biographies (less than 200 characters, or about three lines of text).
I suppose it's Jose who we really have to thank for these lists! If he hadn't modified close on 3,000 album pages with the phrase: "FLAC download - bandcamp.com", Julien may never have developed his sniffer tool in the first place! LOL
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