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    Posted: September 18 2010 at 22:39

POPULAR ARTISTS (TOP 40, LAST 24H):  Led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden. I also saw Black Sabbath and Talking Heads there before.  

What's wrong with these artists? They're in Prog-Related. In my opinion these artists should not display in the Popular Artists Top 40 section.
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Points: 3968 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2010 at 04:11

I think it's because this top 40 list takes entries from simply what's popular, while for example Top 100-250 charts shows you only certain genres (all genres except Proto / Prog-related). Except you use something like this:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65760&PN=1
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2010 at 08:59
I wouldn't think it would be difficult for M@x to exclude them (and proto prog?) if the popular view is that is what's needed.
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Why exclude something. the most popular artist list is likely derived from the number of visits on a certain day, most likely when a band get's somehow in the news it will get more hits.
 
It's a nice way to see what artist have something going. bigger progartists are always in the list, sometimes a lesser known artist get in the list, so probably than there's something going on with the artist, maybe a new released album frosaid artist, or a drummer decides to leave (in case of DT that will not show in the list as they are already on the list normally anyway). so this is normal for such list and even very much what people like me want from such lists, an idea what's going on in a short look at the list. never heard of BunChakeze, probably newly added and gathering some interest.
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Points: 3968 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2010 at 09:43

^ But Bob, why to exclude them at all ? After all they had to go through (getting here Prog-related band is far more difficult than "normal" Prog), after all rejections and obstacles, these two genres will be persecuted even more.

I know that they're not full Prog, we all are aware of it, but they're here on ProgArchives, so if they're popular, why to exclude them ? It's not Top40 Prog only artists, but it's Popular artists, ProgArchives artists, so including Talking Heads and anything that's popular here.


And charts, not just excluding by default setting, but virtually preventing people from searching for Proto-Prog and Prog-related artists. Why ? If people will rate "A Night at Opera", it's their decision, so it means that people think a lot about this album, so why not to see it in charts ?

But it's another debate of course.
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Points: 5502 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2010 at 09:51
  • Current list, my opinion why it's in here.
  • POPULAR ARTISTS (TOP 40, LAST 24H) :
  • BunChakeze   newly added I think
  • Yes        Popular prog band, so naturally many hits
  • Porcupine Tree   curently in a forum part regarding his views on reviewing, also a familiar band so moved up on the list.
  • Genesis  popular progband, also a new Phil Collins album out I believe
  • Pink Floyd popular band, currently The Wall in concert by Waters
  • King Crimson  popular band
  • Glass Hammer new released album IF
  • Dream Theater Portnoy leaves, but alwasy in the list as a popular progband
  • Camel popular progband
  • Frank Zappa popular artist
  • Emerson Lake & Palmer Emerson is apparently undergoing surgery, popular band
  • Spock's Beard semi-popular band, don't know why
  • Jethro Tull popular band
  • Sky Architect newly added
  • Rush popular band, new tour
  • Eloy popular band, but why on the list?
  • Cloudkicker never heard of them, has to be something going on (new album or newly added)
  • Van Der Graaf Generator popular band
  • Kingcrow never heard of them, has to be something going on
  • Oceansize never heard of them, has to be something going on
  • Marillion popular band
  • Echoes never heard of them, has to be something going on
  • Supertramp popular band
  • Gentle Giant never heard of them, has to be something going on
  • Opeth popular band
  • Led Zeppelin popular band
  • Crack The Sky never heard of them, has to be something going on
  • Premiata Forneria Marconi popular band
  • Tangerine Dream popular band
  • Magma popular band, also some forum controversy on political ideologie of Vander
  • Renaissance popular band
  • Gazpacho something going on
  • Marty Friedman something going on
  • IQ recently a new album
  • Iron Maiden popular band, new album hit nr 1 in charts
  • Hawkwind popular band
  • Mike Oldfield popular band
  • Therion never heard of them, has to be something going on
  • Caravan popular band
  • Mostly Autumn popular band I guess, maybe new album or tour or something

    • click the link and see why there here on this list.



    Edited by tuxon - September 19 2010 at 09:59
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    Points: 15585     		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2010 at 13:14
    I wasn't suggesting we exclude them, just responding to the original post. M@x is always open to feedback, so I was just seeking views.
     
    Looks like 2-1 against any change so far.Big smile
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    Points: 32553     		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2010 at 13:29
    They're here.  They're popular.

    I'm good with that.  Smile
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    Points: 3968     		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2010 at 14:25
    OK Bob, I didn't understand your post in this light. Being in Crossover Team taught me a lot about Prog-related. At first, I thought that a lot of artists can be placed in Prog-related, but I realized that this isn't true and 

    I see it differently, in more sober light.

    It's genre reserved for certain, carefully selected artists. However, as for equality of P-R / P-P genres with other Full Prog genres, I'm all for it.
    There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"

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    Points: 11401     		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2010 at 14:31
    Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

  • Current list, my opinion why it's in here.
  • Gentle Giant never heard of them, has to be something going on


    • Oh my. Someone needs to start checking out the classics :-)
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    Points: 1327     		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2010 at 05:31

    it's not surprising. Gentle Giant are too gentle to be heard of.

    I don't know what I'm saying either.
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