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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2009 at 07:50
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Let's move Oldfield to Eclectic, so we can break that tie between it and Crossover. Tongue

Very nice statistics and good job!
On the strength of their last two albums - I'll take VdGG into Xover then Tongue


If you find that the second disc from Present is Xover, be my guest. LOL
Hmmm - off to JR/F with them then Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2009 at 08:48
Great job! Did you count them? I hope not Tongue I suppose it's enough to copy the lists to Excel and delete the blank rows to get the exact count.

And, how about that growth rate check, is it coming soon?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2009 at 09:00
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Great job! Did you count them? I hope not Tongue I suppose it's enough to copy the lists to Excel and delete the blank rows to get the exact count.

And, how about that growth rate check, is it coming soon?


I wasn't that smartEmbarrassed. I pasted the tables in Microsoft Word.

Growth rate will be in a week or so (approximately 1 months after my initial post). The longer the period, more accurate the rate. Besides..I have to wait for some bands to be added in Eclectic Prog.Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2009 at 10:51
How about shifting Genesis & Saga to Neo so it can get some respect ? Oh wait, d King Crimson & Rush to Prog MetalTongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2009 at 16:10
Prog Metal : 411Cry
 
Take out the word prog and you'll get 411 metal bands here. Not to count the extreme tech etc.CryCryCry
 
Stil, this is very interesting news.
 
I am more on the conservative and genuine prog side though (symphonic). For emotional reasons, I was quite in love with Italian symph which is now overshadowed by the RPI melting pot.
 
Of course, due to my old age, I also belong to PR, PP and HP.
 
Oh yes, I almost forgot jazz rock! I just have learned that this was considered as prog music. Bizarre, bizarre. In the seventies it was just jazz rock...Have the musical standards changed in the meantime???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2009 at 21:24
genuine prog ? some of the extreme / tech metal bands make most of the symphonic prog instrumentalists sound like grade school musicians taking their first step beyond 4/4.
Genuine prog is whatever is progressive. And even a Symphonic prog lover like myself has no problem saying that this sub-genre has hardly "progressed" since the 70s. A lot of great acts have come out since then, and many match most of the symphonic prog of the so-called golden era. But there's a reason why some call it "retro-prog". Which doesn't bother me, because it is just a description.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2009 at 06:55
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

genuine prog ? some of the extreme / tech metal bands make most of the symphonic prog instrumentalists sound like grade school musicians taking their first step beyond 4/4.
Genuine prog is whatever is progressive. And even a Symphonic prog lover like myself has no problem saying that this sub-genre has hardly "progressed" since the 70s. A lot of great acts have come out since then, and many match most of the symphonic prog of the so-called golden era. But there's a reason why some call it "retro-prog". Which doesn't bother me, because it is just a description.


I have to agree with Claude on this one - and I'm anything but an an expert on metal (dipping my toes in it though - thanks, PlankySmile!). Since I have recently started reviewing for another website, I have to listen to a lot of different things, and many of those 'retro-symph' bands are just appalling in their complete lack of originality. I understand that seeing the site taken over by prog-metal can be offputting, but I believe we should be more open-minded, and not dismiss anything just based on preconceived ideas. Just my own 2 cents...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:11
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

genuine prog ? some of the extreme / tech metal bands make most of the symphonic prog instrumentalists sound like grade school musicians taking their first step beyond 4/4.
Genuine prog is whatever is progressive. And even a Symphonic prog lover like myself has no problem saying that this sub-genre has hardly "progressed" since the 70s. A lot of great acts have come out since then, and many match most of the symphonic prog of the so-called golden era. But there's a reason why some call it "retro-prog". Which doesn't bother me, because it is just a description.


I have to agree with Claude on this one - and I'm anything but an an expert on metal (dipping my toes in it though - thanks, PlankySmile!). Since I have recently started reviewing for another website, I have to listen to a lot of different things, and many of those 'retro-symph' bands are just appalling in their complete lack of originality. I understand that seeing the site taken over by prog-metal can be offputting, but I believe we should be more open-minded, and not dismiss anything just based on preconceived ideas. Just my own 2 cents...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 12:37
Okay folks, here's the update after three months - to see the additions rate.


The number is the number of artists in a certain subgenre, the bold number is a number of bands added in three months.

Zeuhl 34     -1
Indo Raga 38     +1
Proto Prog 39     +2
Canterbury 48     0
Prog Electronic 135     +2
Krautrock 154     +10
Prog Related 160     0
Post/Math Rock 162     +5
Tech/Extreme Metal 174     +17
Experimental/Post Metal 178     +25
Heavy Prog 215     +3
Rock Progressivo Italiano 236     +12
RIO/Avant 243     +4
Crossover Prog 268     +6
Prog Folk 274     +17
Eclectic Prog 278     +16
Neo Prog 304     +17
Psych/Space 321     +37
Jazz Rock/Fusion 391     +13
Symphonic Prog 427     +3
Prog Metal 429     +18

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 13:50
Lazy Canterbury! Wink

On the other hand, quite an astounding new batch of psychedelics.

-1 Zeuhl? What happened? How can you score negatively in additions? LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 13:59
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Lazy Canterbury! Wink

On the other hand, quite an astounding new batch of psychedelics.

-1 Zeuhl? What happened? How can you score negatively in additions? LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 14:36
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Lazy Canterbury! Wink

On the other hand, quite an astounding new batch of psychedelics.

-1 Zeuhl? What happened? How can you score negatively in additions? LOL


Haha.  Was it Kultivator that was moved during the past months?  Anyway, they had their chances for Vox Nostra. Wink

Good going Psych/Space!  Very impressive!  And, as usual, the prog metallers (the different categories) have been busy beavers.  I'm pleasantly surprised to see that ten Krautrock albums have been added in that time too (I wouldn't expect as many of those as most of the other categories).  If I got down to the overdue additions I should be doing, we could add quite a few more to the list.  

Edited by Logan - August 14 2009 at 14:37
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 19:27
Okay, here's some more statistics:

This is the chart of the most numerous additions in a subgenre for 3 months time span:

Psych/Space                          +37
Experimental/Post Metal      +25
Prog Metal                               +18
Tech/Extreme Metal              +17
Prog Folk                                 +17
Neo Prog                                 +17
Eclectic Prog                           +16
Jazz Rock/Fusion                   +13
Rock Progressivo Italiano    +12
Krautrock                                 +10
Crossover Prog                      +6
Post/Math Rock                      +5
Rio/Avant                                  +4
Heavy Prog                              +3
Symphonic Prog                     +3
Prog Electronic                       +2
Proto Prog                               +2
Indo/Raga Rock                     +1
Canterbury                                0
Prog Related                            0
Zeuhl                                         -1

Prog Archives total:                 +207 (that's 4508 bands in total)

This is the chart of percentages of additions relative to the number of artists in a subgenre. Note that a small genre with only one addition can get a higher percentage than a 400+ subgenre with 10 additions. This is simply to put a perspective for less inhabitated subs. It may also serve (as a rough overview) which subgenres are presently more "in crisis" or "more active" in additions than average.

Experimental/Post Metal       +16,34%
Psych/Space                           +13,03%
Tech/Extreme Metal               +10,82%
Krautrock                                   +6,94%
Prog Folk                                   +6,61%
Eclectic Prog                             +6,11%
Neo Prog                                   +5,92%
Rock Progressivo Italiano      +5,36%
Proto Prog                                 +5,13%
Prog Metal                                 +4,38%
Jazz Rock/Fusion                     +3,44%
Post/Math Rock                        +3,18%
Crossover Prog                        +2,29%
RIO/Avant                                   +1,67%
Prog Electronic                        +1,50%
Indo/Raga                                 +1,42%
Heavy Prog                                +1,41%
Symphonic Prog                       +0,71%
Canterbury                                  0,00%
Prog Related                              0,00%
Zeuhl                                          -2,86%

Prog Archives Total:                +4,81%




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 14:45
What counts as 'art rock?'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 22:09
Anything, it depends of a definition. But 'Art Rock' in a narrower sense, as recognized on this web site,  is Crossover Prog, Eclectic Prog and Heavy Prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2010 at 11:36
Very interesting. Actualy I thought PM is the bigest one allready (and it was but torn to 3 diferent sub-genres).
I have 2 small comments :
1. It is amazing how small the Canterbury scene is and yet how influencial !
2. I got 3 Haggard albums now (the first 3) and though I am not sure which is the right classification for them it is definitely not Xover. I advise you all to listen to them (especially albums 1 & 3).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2010 at 17:56
Anyone willing to count new numbers ?
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