All PA artists distribution by subgenre (UPDATED!)
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Topic: All PA artists distribution by subgenre (UPDATED!)
Posted By: clarke2001
Subject: All PA artists distribution by subgenre (UPDATED!)
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 00:11
There are currently 4500+ artist in the archive, the number is increasing every day. Have you ever been wondering how many of them are listed in Prog Metal, how many Symphonic bands is there, is there more psychedelic or avant bands? Well.
Here's the current situation:
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http:// - Zeuhl 35 http:// - Indo/Raga 37 http:// - Proto Prog 39 http:// - Canterbury 48 http:// - Prog Electronic 133 http:// - Krautrock 144 http:// - Experimental/post metal 153 http:// - Post/math rock 157 http:// - Tech/Extreme Prog Metal 157 http:// - Prog Related 160 http:// - Heavy Prog http:// - Rock Progressivo Italiano 224 http:// - RIO/Avant 239 http:// - Folk 257
http:// - Crossovoer Prog 262
http:// - Eclectic Prog 262 http:// - Psychedelic/space 284 http:// - Neo Prog 287
http:// - Jazz Rock/fusion 378
http:// - Prog Metal 411
http:// - Symphonic Prog 424 http:// - http:// - Any surprises? I'm surprised by a coincidence that many subgenres "tie" so to say: an equal number of Eclectic and Crossover bands, as well of Post/Math rock and Tech/Extreme Metal bands. http:// - http:// - I dare to say subgenres are populated more or less equally, on four levels: http:// - http:// - 1. Subgenre giants: Symphonic Prog (424), Prog Metal (narrowed) (411), Jazz Rock (378). http:// - http:// - At the current rate of addition, Prog Metal will probably kick Symphonic Prog off the trone in a few days. And that's only a subgenre of Prog Metal in narrower sense. http:// - http:// - 2. Indermediate populated prog subgenres level: Heavy prog (212), RPI (224), Avant prog (239), Prog Folk (257), Crossover (262), Eclectic (262), Psyche (284), Neo prog (287). http:// - http:// - Mostl likely Neo prog will increase even further due to widened definition of the subgenre. http:// - http:// - 3. Less populated Prog subgenres: Progressive electronic (133), Krautrock (144), Experimental/Post metal (153), Post/Math Rock (157), Tech/Extreme Metal (157), Prog Related (160). http:// - http:// - I guess both metal subgenres and post/math rock will contonue to significantly incrise. The position of Prog Related artists is interesting; too few, or too many? http:// - http:// - 4. "Dwarf" subgenres: Zeuhl (35), Indo Raga (37), Proto Prog (39), Canterbury (48). http:// - http:// - Each of those deserves more recognition. I thought Indo/Raga rock is the smallest category, but it turned out Zeuhl is. However, it seems Zeuhl have much more devotees. http:// - http:// - If we add all three Art Rock subcategories together, that's 736 artists. If we do the same with three Metal categories together, that's 721 artist. Wow. I really shoud check everything after a week or two to see the rate of growth. http:// - http:// - http:// - If we add post/rock to 721 metal artists that's 878 post-'90 artists and nobody can say prog is not alive and well nowadays! (this is a rough approximation based only on post-80's subgenres but it's enough to illustrate prog is far from being dead.) http:// - http:// - Surprised? Shocked? Happy? http:// - http:// - (I was not doing the percentages, my knowledge of Excel is horrible, sorry)
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 00:53
Excellent work!
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 06:11
Interesting graph. Rather worrying that Prog-related and Proto-Prog together account for over 200 entries here when other Prog genres seem under- represented.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 06:47
I think the main problem with PR is not so much the high-profile bands (who are, in fact, a minority), but the glut of acts that were added in the first days of the site, without any sort of 'quality control', or moved from other subgenres after 'cleanup' sessions - seen as entries cannot be deleted. I think PR would need to be gone through with a fine-toothed comb, in order to weed out those bands or artists that have very little to do with prog, and possibly have them deleted (especially since many of them hardly have any reviews or other information).
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 07:03
Let's move Oldfield to Eclectic, so we can break that tie between it and Crossover.
Very nice statistics and good job!
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 07:32
Tony R wrote:
Interesting graph. Rather worrying that Prog-related and Proto-Prog together account for over 200 entries here when other Prog genres seem under- represented.
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Is it that they are under-represented? Or are the numbers just not there? Assuming that all members have been bringing bands they know for sometime, perhaps we are nearing that absolute of complete inclusion. The reality may be that the Prog-related and Proto-Prog do account for a high percentage simply as a result of fact and nothing else.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 09:32
That's really neat!
Like you said, I was surprised that Zeuhl was the absolute lowest, and I didn't realize Jazz Fusion was that high overall.
Very interesting.
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 09:40
No surprises. Zeuhl, Indo/Raga and Canterbury as seen as many as part of broader genres and not a genre per se, so they have to be smallest genres in the site.
In an interesting note, the huge difference in size between Prog Related and Proto-Prog shows that maybe the site should focus more on Proto additions rather than Related, since Proto-Prog is usually less controvertial, more relevant content to the site and I see it as much more important than PR.
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Posted By: fil karada
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 13:27
Very nice! Keep up the good work
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 14:11
Nice graphics and statistics!!
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 18:55
Look worry about the "Krautrock" subgenre.
I think we can increase the bands there
BTW nice Graphic
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:05
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:50
clarke2001 wrote:
If we add all three Art Rock subcategories together, that's 736 artists. If we do the same with three Metal categories together, that's 721 artist. Wow. I really shoud check everything after a week or two to see the rate of growth. file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Cmoris%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml -
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If you add Symph and Neo you get 711 ... add in RIP and it becomes 935
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:52
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:56
While you're at it, take Gentle Giant based on their last three albums.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:57
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 21:27
Nice work!
Very interesting stuff.
Too bad its probably out of date by now.
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Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: May 19 2009 at 04:16
Excellent work, Clarke
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: May 19 2009 at 06:43
If you find that the second disc from Present is Xover, be my guest.
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: May 19 2009 at 07:27
great one this should be implemented somewhere on the site ...
I'm quite sure psych/space made a big step forward as for the ranking during the last months and we have a backlog of at least 50 bands/artists so far
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 19 2009 at 07:50
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 10 2009 at 08:48
Great job! Did you count them? I hope not I suppose it's enough to copy the lists to Excel and delete the blank rows to get the exact count.
And, how about that growth rate check, is it coming soon?
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: June 10 2009 at 09:00
harmonium.ro wrote:
Great job! Did you count them? I hope not I suppose it's enough to copy the lists to Excel and delete the blank rows to get the exact count.
And, how about that growth rate check, is it coming soon?
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I wasn't that smart. I pasted the tables in Microsoft Word.
Growth rate will be in a week or so (approximately 1 months after my initial post). The longer the period, more accurate the rate. Besides..I have to wait for some bands to be added in Eclectic Prog.
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 10 2009 at 10:51
How about shifting Genesis & Saga to Neo so it can get some respect ? Oh wait, d King Crimson & Rush to Prog Metal
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Posted By: ZowieZiggy
Date Posted: June 25 2009 at 16:10
http:///">Prog Metal : 411
Take out the word prog and you'll get 411 metal bands here. Not to count the extreme tech etc. http:///">
Stil, this is very interesting news.
I am more on the conservative and genuine prog side though (symphonic). For emotional reasons, I was quite in love with Italian symph which is now overshadowed by the RPI melting pot.
Of course, due to my old age, I also belong to PR, PP and HP.
Oh yes, I almost forgot jazz rock! I just have learned that this was considered as prog music. Bizarre, bizarre. In the seventies it was just jazz rock...Have the musical standards changed in the meantime???
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 25 2009 at 21:24
genuine prog ? some of the extreme / tech metal bands make most of the symphonic prog instrumentalists sound like grade school musicians taking their first step beyond 4/4. Genuine prog is whatever is progressive. And even a Symphonic prog lover like myself has no problem saying that this sub-genre has hardly "progressed" since the 70s. A lot of great acts have come out since then, and many match most of the symphonic prog of the so-called golden era. But there's a reason why some call it "retro-prog". Which doesn't bother me, because it is just a description.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 06:55
debrewguy wrote:
genuine prog ? some of the extreme / tech metal bands make most of the symphonic prog instrumentalists sound like grade school musicians taking their first step beyond 4/4. Genuine prog is whatever is progressive. And even a Symphonic prog lover like myself has no problem saying that this sub-genre has hardly "progressed" since the 70s. A lot of great acts have come out since then, and many match most of the symphonic prog of the so-called golden era. But there's a reason why some call it "retro-prog". Which doesn't bother me, because it is just a description.
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I have to agree with Claude on this one - and I'm anything but an an expert on metal (dipping my toes in it though - thanks, Planky!). Since I have recently started reviewing for another website, I have to listen to a lot of different things, and many of those 'retro-symph' bands are just appalling in their complete lack of originality. I understand that seeing the site taken over by prog-metal can be offputting, but I believe we should be more open-minded, and not dismiss anything just based on preconceived ideas. Just my own 2 cents...
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:11
Raff wrote:
debrewguy wrote:
genuine prog ? some of the extreme / tech metal bands make most of the symphonic prog instrumentalists sound like grade school musicians taking their first step beyond 4/4. Genuine prog is whatever is progressive. And even a Symphonic prog lover like myself has no problem saying that this sub-genre has hardly "progressed" since the 70s. A lot of great acts have come out since then, and many match most of the symphonic prog of the so-called golden era. But there's a reason why some call it "retro-prog". Which doesn't bother me, because it is just a description.
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I have to agree with Claude on this one - and I'm anything but an an expert on metal (dipping my toes in it though - thanks, Planky!). Since I have recently started reviewing for another website, I have to listen to a lot of different things, and many of those 'retro-symph' bands are just appalling in their complete lack of originality. I understand that seeing the site taken over by prog-metal can be offputting, but I believe we should be more open-minded, and not dismiss anything just based on preconceived ideas. Just my own 2 cents...
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2 x agreed!
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 12:37
Okay folks, here's the update after three months - to see the additions rate.
The number is the number of artists in a certain subgenre, the bold number is a number of bands added in three months.
Zeuhl 34 -1 Indo Raga 38 +1 Proto Prog 39 +2 Canterbury 48 0 Prog Electronic 135 +2 Krautrock 154 +10 Prog Related 160 0 Post/Math Rock 162 +5 Tech/Extreme Metal 174 +17 Experimental/Post Metal 178 +25 Heavy Prog 215 +3 Rock Progressivo Italiano 236 +12 RIO/Avant 243 +4 Crossover Prog 268 +6 Prog Folk 274 +17 Eclectic Prog 278 +16 Neo Prog 304 +17 Psych/Space 321 +37 Jazz Rock/Fusion 391 +13 Symphonic Prog 427 +3 Prog Metal 429 +18
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 13:50
Lazy Canterbury!
On the other hand, quite an astounding new batch of psychedelics.
-1 Zeuhl? What happened? How can you score negatively in additions?
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 13:59
Ricochet wrote:
Lazy Canterbury!
On the other hand, quite an astounding new batch of psychedelics.
-1 Zeuhl? What happened? How can you score negatively in additions?
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 14:36
Ricochet wrote:
Lazy Canterbury!
On the other hand, quite an astounding new batch of psychedelics.
-1 Zeuhl? What happened? How can you score negatively in additions?
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Haha. Was it Kultivator that was moved during the past months? Anyway, they had their chances for ../artist.asp?id=4493 - Vox Nostra .
Good going Psych/Space! Very impressive! And, as usual, the prog metallers (the different categories) have been busy beavers. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that ten Krautrock albums have been added in that time too (I wouldn't expect as many of those as most of the other categories). If I got down to the overdue additions I should be doing, we could add quite a few more to the list.
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 19:27
Okay, here's some more statistics:
This is the chart of the most numerous additions in a subgenre for 3 months time span:
Psych/Space +37 Experimental/Post Metal +25 Prog Metal +18 Tech/Extreme Metal +17 Prog Folk +17 Neo Prog +17 Eclectic Prog +16 Jazz Rock/Fusion +13 Rock Progressivo Italiano +12 Krautrock +10 Crossover Prog +6 Post/Math Rock +5 Rio/Avant +4 Heavy Prog +3 Symphonic Prog +3 Prog Electronic +2 Proto Prog +2 Indo/Raga Rock +1 Canterbury 0 Prog Related 0 Zeuhl -1
Prog Archives total: +207 (that's 4508 bands in total)
This is the chart of percentages of additions relative to the number of artists in a subgenre. Note that a small genre with only one addition can get a higher percentage than a 400+ subgenre with 10 additions. This is simply to put a perspective for less inhabitated subs. It may also serve (as a rough overview) which subgenres are presently more "in crisis" or "more active" in additions than average.
Experimental/Post Metal +16,34% Psych/Space +13,03% Tech/Extreme Metal +10,82% Krautrock +6,94% Prog Folk +6,61% Eclectic Prog +6,11% Neo Prog +5,92% Rock Progressivo Italiano +5,36% Proto Prog +5,13% Prog Metal +4,38% Jazz Rock/Fusion +3,44% Post/Math Rock +3,18% Crossover Prog +2,29% RIO/Avant +1,67% Prog Electronic +1,50% Indo/Raga +1,42% Heavy Prog +1,41% Symphonic Prog +0,71% Canterbury 0,00% Prog Related 0,00% Zeuhl -2,86%
Prog Archives Total: +4,81%
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 14:45
What counts as 'art rock?'
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 22:09
Anything, it depends of a definition. But 'Art Rock' in a narrower sense, as recognized on this web site, is Crossover Prog, Eclectic Prog and Heavy Prog.
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 11:36
Very interesting. Actualy I thought PM is the bigest one allready (and it was but torn to 3 diferent sub-genres).
I have 2 small comments :
1. It is amazing how small the Canterbury scene is and yet how influencial !
2. I got 3 Haggard albums now (the first 3) and though I am not sure which is the right classification for them it is definitely not Xover. I advise you all to listen to them (especially albums 1 & 3).
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 17:56
Anyone willing to count new numbers ?
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