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    Posted: March 20 2009 at 21:36
Well here is my second installment to the progressive metal world. If you would've cared to listen to the first (Pictures in Mirrors Part 2), then you will definitely enjoy this one a lot more. This one contains yours truly doing a few low pitched death growls. This ones also more complex and features some polymetric(ish) riffs and a very post-metal air about it. Have a butchers please

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Edit: These are now the remastered versions. I took some advice from you guys and EQ'd it all properly, so now you can hear every instrument.


Edited by The Pessimist - March 21 2009 at 20:57
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rather good.. I'm partial to the last half of the cut, the building riffs
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Cool, downloaded it, I'll tell you what I think.
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Points: 3073 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2009 at 05:48
Very good stuff. I like the vocals, but also the use of different styles within one song. The first part is really atmospheric but my prefered section is the middle section with vocals ( the section between the post metal start and the ending more technical riffing). I must admit that I agree with Atavachron that the ending riffs might not suit the cohesiveness of the song that well. Interesting song though. Letīs hear moreThumbs Up.
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Again, this music is really good, but the mix on the recording needs quite a bit of work. The biggest thing again is that the drums are way too low compared to the melodic instruments. Have you read about mixing and EQing things so they each have their own space in the mix? Right now the parts are all over each other.
 
The transitions also need something to hold them together a little more. But there are some awesome building blocks, well on their way. Great stuff man.
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Points: 25210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2009 at 20:57
Downloading the remastered/mixed version.
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Points: 3834 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2009 at 21:05
Good man Thumbs Up
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Been kinda digging it man, listened to it a fair few times already, good stuff.:hbang:
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Thanks dude. Plenty more on its way Thumbs Up
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i listened the track , and i like it, it is dark indeed. 
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Wow, this mix is much much better. The middle section still has a massive amount going on in the high mids, but this certainly is an improvement.
 
I love the end sections now so much better, heavier, nastier, more headbanging. Great job.


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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Wow, this mix is much much better. The middle section still has a massive amount going on in the high mids, but this certainly is an improvement.
 
I love the end sections now so much better, heavier, nastier, more headbanging. Great job.


I tried my best Thanks man, I'm glad it is a marked improvement. Hear me out on the middle section though There is a triangular polymeter going on there, where the guitars are playing a 21/8 rhythm, the drums a 7/4 and the bass 7/8. So the bass is very important for the groove here (although it isn't that noticeable, it's still there). So I suppose the middle-high EQing was my effort to make the bass stick out a bit more. Any suggestions how I could eradicate the heaviness of the middle tones?
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What I'm talking about is probably at the low highs (I'm guessing between 2000-1000k, I used to know these things by number better, I'm out of practice) but basically, the rasp of the voice (also some effects), some of the cymbal sound, and some of the distortion sizzle are all occupying about the same EQ space. The bass sounds good. Distortion on the guitar I think is the big culprit on this one. (My oldest recording tip in the book, less distortion...I could go on but that's not the point here) What's suffering is that the voice is getting pushed back in the mix. Voice, virtually always, need to sit on top...center, drier, more compressed (within reason) and with it's fundamentals intact. The other stuff gets pushed back to more or less degree by EQ sculpting, pushing out in the stereo field, down in volume / less compression.
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Yeah, I see what you mean man. I'll try my best But I can't be arsed to re-upload, so I'll stick it on the website i'll create for the entire album. Thanks for your help.
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