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Fly From Here by Yes. I didn't buy Heaven & Earth. I did however, for some reason, buy The Quest when it first came out. 

I've still never heard any of these, having stopped at Magnification, years ago... seriously, are any of them worth it? I can tell you that none of them are cheap!

I would say fly from here is worth it. That album is pretty solid. The others only if you are a hardcore Yes fan who has to have everything.
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Yes-Drama
ELP-BSS
Tull-Stormwatch
Genesis-Wind and Wuthering
KC-Thrak
Floyd- The Wall

I have bought later ones by those b ands but not without hearing them somewhere first.
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I would say fly from here is worth it. That album is pretty solid. The others only if you are a hardcore Yes fan who has to have everything.

Thanks Mike, I'm certainly not in any rush, but it's good to know.
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BJH: XII definately turned off after Woolly's departure

ha! I said exactly the same! There was a perceptible move toward commercialism afterwards, wasn't there?

Yep i saw your comment and agreedClap 'Eyes of the universe' was pretty rubbish except for about 2 tracks; it was just their attempt to mimic what Genesis were doing at the time.. Turn of the tide was.. marginally better.

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Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Yep i saw your comment and agreedClap 'Eyes of the universe' was pretty rubbish except for about 2 tracks; it was just their attempt to mimic what Genesis were doing at the time.. Turn of the tide was.. marginally better.


Yes, I think Octoberon is a really great album, but they were criticised by their label over the lack of singles. They were forced to strip down Rock n Roll Star which charted, but they apparently looked out of their comfort zone for their only appearance on TOTP and Woolly later admitted to hating it.

A few years earlier, they had toured quite a bit with Camel and this was around their Rain Dances/ Breathless period, when they too were being asked for more vocals and a couple of singles. Gone To Earth was ok, but a bit too commercial, understandably given the context of the times. Although XII was a small improvement, you could tell there were tensions in the band concerning their future direction, leading to Woolly's departure, just as the same tensions had arisen in Camel, leading to the departures of Ferguson during the Rain Dances sessions and later Bardens himself during those for Breathless...
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Yep i saw your comment and agreedClap 'Eyes of the universe' was pretty rubbish except for about 2 tracks; it was just their attempt to mimic what Genesis were doing at the time.. Turn of the tide was.. marginally better.


Yes, I think Octoberon is a really great album, but they were criticised by their label over the lack of singles. They were forced to strip down Rock n Roll Star which charted, but they apparently looked out of their comfort zone for their only appearance on TOTP and Woolly later admitted to hating it.

A few years earlier, they had toured quite a bit with Camel and this was around their Rain Dances/ Breathless period, when they too were being asked for more vocals and a couple of singles. Gone To Earth was ok, but a bit too commercial, understandably given the context of the times. Although XII was a small improvement, you could tell there were tensions in the band concerning their future direction, leading to Woolly's departure, just as the same tensions had arisen in Camel, leading to the departures of Ferguson during the Rain Dances sessions and later Bardens himself during those for Breathless...

Its odd though, that XII had 2 tracks written by Woolly; he usually contributed 1.. i think it was a bit of a case of the Steve Hackett's.. having more material that he wanted included and the rest of the band moving away from that sound. I know John Lees felt uncomfortable about it but Les Holroyd was keen to push to a more commercial sound that might break America (which they never did) and of course the pressure from Polydor who saw more bucks to be made in continental Europe.. Maestoso is a lovely album but could have been much better if Polydor had got behind it.. and i dont think Woolly's heart was really in it.. he just wanted to get away from the Biz

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^^ Insightful post John, thanks.

I've heard most of the later BJH albums and whereas there were one or two pretty reasonable tracks, the albums often sounded quite tepid, RoC and VoC being particularly bland iIrc, then FtF was really quite pop/rock? For some reason, I did quite enjoy Welcome To The Show for what it was, but never bothered after that.
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Yes-Heaven and Earth lacked so much and The quest kept me turned off. I don’t theink they’re coming back as a compositional force.

Jethro Tull started sputtering with Too Old to Rock and Roll, and Catfish rising was disappointing and the last album I bought.

After Silver clouds and Black Linings I jumped off the Dream Theater train. The music became nondistinctive to me, and I have only bought the first Mangini album, which I found samey.

Nektar lost appeal after Recycled

ELP really went down with Works, and Black Moon was the only one I found interesting after that.

Zappa lost some luster with Joe’s Garage II and III but still did lot of good stuff.

Pink Floyd lost some shine with A Momentary Lapse of Music, but the later albums offer partial redemption.

The Who was never the same after the Quadrophenia masterpiece.

Genesis never lost me, but never rose to previous heights when they became three.

The Flower Kings needed to explore new material after Banks of Eden-later albums don’t seem fresh or exploratory.
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