When you stopped buying their albums...
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Topic: When you stopped buying their albums...
Posted By: Rick1
Subject: When you stopped buying their albums...
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 02:59
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I am sure many of you remember the pre-internet days when you eagerly awaited the latest album from your favourite bands. Then, one day, you stopped buying 'on release'. Something happened, something put you off. Starting with the so-called 'big six', what was the last album by them that you bought on release?? ELP - Works Vol. 1* Genesis - Duke Jethro Tull - Rock Island King Crimson - Beat Pink Floyd - Momentary Lapse Yes - Union** *but I did get ELPowell when it came out! **but I didn't get 'Big Generator' |
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 03:21
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^^ Great idea for a thread Rick, but I think you might get similar answers from many! Also, I think you have to be of a certain erm 'vintage' to refer to 'on release' since my comments will be retrospective, but I'll give it a go. Genesis: Duke.. Abacab is too much Yes: Drama 90125 isn't Yes, but then I oddly loved Talk and Magnification isn't bad either Camel: Rain Dances.. Breathless is too much of a divergence, but Rajaz was very good Pink Floyd: The Wall, although Division Bell is pretty good ELP: Brain Salad Surgery, and that was a stretch for me BJH: XII.. a notable change after Wooly left Hawkwind: Simply too complicated to answer... the subject of a doctorial thesis.. Moody Blues: Obviously Seventh Sojourn... everything after (more or less) is total pap.. Mike Oldfield: Very hit and miss after Incantations, still exploring much of it Kansas: The first Five and that's it to be honest Rush: They didn't lose me until Vapour Trails, which along with Snakes, I never could get into Eloy: Oddly, I know the answer should be Performance, but there isn't an album I don't enjoy, even the much derided Ra. Go figure. I hope that's been helpful, thanks for the question... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 03:41
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Thanks Jared - just to clear up on a couple of those from my perspective: Camel - Nude Hawkwind - Chronicle of the Black Sword
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 04:53
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ELP - In The Hot Seat Yes - Magnification King Crimson - The Power To Believe Jethro Tull - Crest Of A Knave Genesis - Invisible Touch Pink Floyd - Pulse ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 05:12
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The most recent CD album I own by each of the "Big Six":- ELP - Brain Salad Surgery Genesis - Calling All Stations Jethro Tull - The Broadsword and the Beast King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King Pink Floyd - The Division Bell YES - Big Generator
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 05:31
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ELP: BSS (bought ELPowell) Genesis: ATTW3 Crimson: Discipline, though I have a few after that Tull: Stormwatch (got RTB... and Crest after a couple of decades after release) Floyd: never stopped buying (though I wish I hadn't AMLOR) Yes: Tormato/Drama (and the two KTA afterwards) Tangerine Dream: Force Majeure (Green desert is the only one since) Caravan: Blind Dog Rush: Pictures Camel: Moonmadness I wasn't into Soft Machine, GG & VdGG back in the 70's .
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 07:02
The most recent CD albums I own by each of the second "Big Six", although I realise it's still a contentious issue as to who the second "Big Six" really are, when it's more a matter of personal choice than an established fact.  Barclay James Harvest - XII Camel - Harbour of Tears Caravan - Cunning Stunts The Moody Blues - December Renaissance - The Other Woman Rush - Counterparts
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 07:16
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What I can tell is that in 1978 my music interest started to turn away from progressive music. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 07:36
I've never stopped buying their albums, I just know which ones to stay away from. 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 07:41
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Hi, Let's see ... ELP - bought Karn Evil ... that was that for me! Genesis - A Trick of the Tail Jethro Tull - Minstrel in the Gallery (it was all pop songs after that!) King Crimson - when BB left Pink Floyd - Momentary Lapse of Repetition Yes - Relayer as the band was just a repeat after that But mostly, for me, it was that the bands had lost their way ... I bought PF and even today, the material I enjoy the most is the earlier stuff, even going back to Syd, and though I bought Roger's stuff, it simply was not as uplifting and fun stuff. Also, sad that Nick Mason had no more fictitious adventures to his solo career as that one was magnificent fun! YES was sad ... a bit before Chris passed away I caught them here at the Indian Casino in Oregon, and it was the saddest thing I have ever seen, and even all the women dressed up in late 60's fake costumes and make-up just made the whole thing gaudy and a bad Fellini movie, not to mention a singer that did not know what the lyrics meant and was using stock hand expressions that are thousands of years old ... it was, literally, pathetic, not to mention that many folks in the audience only wanted to hear CTTE and Roundabout. Totally pathetic, as if the band was just another top ten idiocy. JT, I have never bothered to see, especially after he "quit" on PP and while I liked MIAG, it did not feel complete, and I think that he did not like the fact that those last 2 albums did not sell gazillions, and right after that he was all over FM radio with pop songs ... nothing but! ELP I liked and would have bought more but after hearing the fiasco and the audiences laughing (one bootleg even had them booing the orchestra), I did not want to hurt the feeling I had for everything to KE9. Genesis, I would not bother to see after PG left. But some, never die ... Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze were good to the last drop! And that is something that these "top goons" did not accomplish even though they are considered by folks that don't listen to anything else the top five ... only one of them is in my top 5. The other 4 are respected by me, but there is better music out there in the world that we refuse to accept as a better top 5 group that at least 2 or 3 of those. I would never select JT before Banco del Muttuo Soccorso, for example. KC is another discussion, and while the appreciation is there and I saw them some 3 or 4 years ago with the 3 drummers, the musicianship is the best I have ever seen on any band, although I have not bought anything since BB left, except one of the live albums of the recent shows.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 08:19
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ELP - I bought Black Moon but hadn't bought Works I or II before that. Genesis - After W&W the only one I've bought was We Can't Dance mainly because of Driving the Last Spike Jethro Tull - Have never really been big buyer of JT King Crimson - or KC Pink Floyd - or PF Yes - I bought H&E and didn't like it. The Quest was worse but I'd never write them off completely, I'd just have to give any future albums a good listen before buying.
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Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 09:07
I'm going to subscribe that point of view. Always a second chance for strayed prog veterans. There are misses, however, that make such filosophy a bit hard to maintain: Invisible Touch, for example, and a long list of usual suspects. |
Cristi wrote:Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 10:14
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Pink Floyd - Animals Genesis - Lamb ELP - BSS JT - Heavy Horses Yes - GFTO KC - never stopped ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 10:15
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Last time I bought each band’s new release when it was released (I may or may not have gotten later albums eventually, and even enjoyed them, but it was no longer a “must buy”) : Camel - Dust & Dreams Pink Floyd - Momentary Lapse King Crimson - ConstruKction of Light Genesis - none! (never stopped) Yes - 90125 Jethro Tull - Rock Island Moody Blues- The Present Rush - Grace Under Pressure ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 11:59
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Interesting... ELP - In The Hot Seat (or live: Live at the Royal Albert Hall) Jethro Tull - Never a fan, only have TaaB and Crest (was too cheap not to buy it...) Genesis - s/t with some gaps before that (don't have their first, don't have Duke and there must be another one that I don't have) Pink Floyd - The Endless River (if that counts)King Crimson - Never stopped buying their studio albums; just have a few live albums (last one: Radical Action) Yes - Made the mistake to buy Heaven & Earth, but gave that one away since I knew I would never listen to it again. It will remain the last on I bought. Camel - Dust and Dreams (with some gaps before that one) Rush - Grace Under Pressure ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 12:38
| Fly From Here by Yes. I didn't buy Heaven & Earth. I did however, for some reason, buy The Quest when it first came out. |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 12:39
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Phew, complicated.. lots of bands ive followed through their career but.. Genesis: Duke was the last 'Studio' lp i bought (ive bought Archives etc since) BJH: XII definately turned off after Woolly's departure Camel: Pressure points Hawkwind: hmm... The last Studio lp was 'The Machine Stops'.. Its complicated.. Pink floyd: The Wall ( though all the post waters studio/ live lps have ended up in my collection- gifts from well meaning individuals.... ELP: only ever had the first 5 lps but saw them on the Black Moon tour and briefly had the album on cassette but my car ate it... Yes: Big Generator (which i really like) Mike Oldfield: Discovery (saw him on tour then and bought the lp but didnt like it much) ------------- |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 13:23
ha! I said exactly the same! There was a perceptible move toward commercialism afterwards, wasn't there?
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 13:24
I've still never heard any of these, having stopped at Magnification, years ago... seriously, are any of them worth it? I can tell you that none of them are cheap!
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 13:37
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ELP - Works Vol. 1 Genesis - Duke Yes - 90125 JT, KC, and PF I have everything they made (studio album wise) (and will probably buy more if they make more). ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 13:43
I would say fly from here is worth it. That album is pretty solid. The others only if you are a hardcore Yes fan who has to have everything.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 14:29
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Yes-Drama ELP-BSS Tull-Stormwatch Genesis-Wind and Wuthering KC-Thrak Floyd- The Wall I have bought later ones by those b ands but not without hearing them somewhere first. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 14:34
Thanks Mike, I'm certainly not in any rush, but it's good to know.
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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 14:42
Yep i saw your comment and agreed  'Eyes of the universe' was pretty rubbish except for about 2 tracks; it was just their attempt to mimic what Genesis were doing at the time.. Turn of the tide was.. marginally better.------------- |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 14:59
Yes, I think Octoberon is a really great album, but they were criticised by their label over the lack of singles. They were forced to strip down Rock n Roll Star which charted, but they apparently looked out of their comfort zone for their only appearance on TOTP and Woolly later admitted to hating it. A few years earlier, they had toured quite a bit with Camel and this was around their Rain Dances/ Breathless period, when they too were being asked for more vocals and a couple of singles. Gone To Earth was ok, but a bit too commercial, understandably given the context of the times. Although XII was a small improvement, you could tell there were tensions in the band concerning their future direction, leading to Woolly's departure, just as the same tensions had arisen in Camel, leading to the departures of Ferguson during the Rain Dances sessions and later Bardens himself during those for Breathless...
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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 15:11
Its odd though, that XII had 2 tracks written by Woolly; he usually contributed 1.. i think it was a bit of a case of the Steve Hackett's.. having more material that he wanted included and the rest of the band moving away from that sound. I know John Lees felt uncomfortable about it but Les Holroyd was keen to push to a more commercial sound that might break America (which they never did) and of course the pressure from Polydor who saw more bucks to be made in continental Europe.. Maestoso is a lovely album but could have been much better if Polydor had got behind it.. and i dont think Woolly's heart was really in it.. he just wanted to get away from the Biz ------------- |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 15:27
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^^ Insightful post John, thanks. I've heard most of the later BJH albums and whereas there were one or two pretty reasonable tracks, the albums often sounded quite tepid, RoC and VoC being particularly bland iIrc, then FtF was really quite pop/rock? For some reason, I did quite enjoy Welcome To The Show for what it was, but never bothered after that.
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Posted By: RockHound
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 22:02
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Yes-Heaven and Earth lacked so much and The quest kept me turned off. I don’t theink they’re coming back as a compositional force. Jethro Tull started sputtering with Too Old to Rock and Roll, and Catfish rising was disappointing and the last album I bought. After Silver clouds and Black Linings I jumped off the Dream Theater train. The music became nondistinctive to me, and I have only bought the first Mangini album, which I found samey. Nektar lost appeal after Recycled ELP really went down with Works, and Black Moon was the only one I found interesting after that. Zappa lost some luster with Joe’s Garage II and III but still did lot of good stuff. Pink Floyd lost some shine with A Momentary Lapse of Music, but the later albums offer partial redemption. The Who was never the same after the Quadrophenia masterpiece. Genesis never lost me, but never rose to previous heights when they became three. The Flower Kings needed to explore new material after Banks of Eden-later albums don’t seem fresh or exploratory. |