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Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

Nobody is taking away the precious "right" to kill unborn children. It is not even being "snatched" from people-the leak was one opinion from one justice and was leaked because the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact this current administration is a mess.
the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact that Republicans are psychotic ... and they got a very good one.




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We're on page four without even a single Admin intervention. I'm not a Tibetan man but didn't wager we would reach this far. This thread's longevity is itself a fantastic argument for Pro Life.Approve
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

Nobody is taking away the precious "right" to kill unborn children. It is not even being "snatched" from people-the leak was one opinion from one justice and was leaked because the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact this current administration is a mess.
the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact that Republicans are psychotic ... and they got a very good one.



here is the composition of the US Supreme court and who nominated them:
Italics : women
Pro-Choice bold
underlined anti-pro-choice
Blue Dems
Red Reps

C Thomas (73yo) - Bush Sr - rabid anti - will most likely not retire until a Rep prez in place again
Bryer (couldn't find his age) - Clinton (planning to retire in June - Biden expected to nominate Brown-Jackson)
Roberts (67yo) - Dubya (pivot member - could go either way - was pro-Obamacare)
Alito (72) - Dubya (says it's not the role of US SC to judge this matter - enforce it, but not make it evolve)
Sotomayor (67yo)  - Obama
Kagan (62yo) - Obama
Barrett (50yo) - Trump (ultra-catholic woman)
Gorsuch (54yo) - Trump's (pro-discrimination)
Kavanaugh (57yo)  (accused of sex assault in the 80's - charges dropped)  - Trump

Oddly enough, it's the two Dubya nominations that could tip it towards Choice

Steve: about the most-likely women to suffer from this ban, it's obvious that poor women will not be able to take "holidays" abroad to have it performed. To avoid getting spotted in clinics (and getting "publicity" from antis), more financially-affluent women take "holidays" abroad.  See Sarah Waddington's indignation in front of Congress of a few days ago.

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In the real world there is no choice between abortion and no abortion. The only choice we can make is between safe legal abortion or unsafe illegal abortion. It’s a no-brainer.
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^ I suspect that's all too true.  We all do what we have to.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

Nobody is taking away the precious "right" to kill unborn children. It is not even being "snatched" from people-the leak was one opinion from one justice and was leaked because the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact this current administration is a mess.
the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact that Republicans are psychotic ... and they got a very good one.



The Founders felt abortion was a tool of tyranny. I am of the same mindset.
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Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

The Founders felt abortion was a tool of tyranny.


I wonder if they felt that owning slaves was tyrannical.
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I must I'm always amazed that Jen (who is such a "rebel") would choose to back options that would limit her own freedom (or at least other's freedom, if she doesn't want to exert that freedom)Wink


Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

The Founders felt abortion was a tool of tyranny.


I wonder if they felt that owning slaves was tyrannical.


Yup, it seems that the founders were not exactly "nice" or thoughtful, but they were certainly self-righteous. The people coming off the Mayflower were religious extremists - albeit fleeing other extremists.

AFAIAC, the first modern "tyrany" would be stopping someone from disposing of himself/herself.
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Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

The Founders felt abortion was a tool of tyranny.


I wonder if they felt that owning slaves was tyrannical.
The Founders also butchered Native American Indians.
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Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

Nobody is taking away the precious "right" to kill unborn children. It is not even being "snatched" from people-the leak was one opinion from one justice and was leaked because the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact this current administration is a mess.
the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact that Republicans are psychotic ... and they got a very good one.



The Founders felt abortion was a tool of tyranny. I am of the same mindset.
Please stop. The Constitution as a document is pliable and not set in stone; hence, the many necessary amendments added afterwards -- because for all its greatness and its potential, it is also a tragically flawed document. 

The fact that it can be altered as time goes on is one of the brilliant facets of the document. Because the Founders, for whatever their adherence to French Enlightenment ideals, were typical white, wealthy 18th century men. Evidently, they didn't consider it tyrannical to limit the rights of the Constitution to white males and thus eliminating women from the right to vote, and considering black slaves to be subhuman (enshrined in the 3/5ths of a person clause). 

Let's also not forget the Founders thought nothing of Native American genocide and the theft of their land.

So spare me the 250 year old view of what constitutes "tyranny". There is any number of racist, misogynistic, religious and imperialist views that the Founders had that modern society would find appalling. Unless, of course, you identify as an 18th century person. Love the powdered wig.


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Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

Nobody is taking away the precious "right" to kill unborn children. It is not even being "snatched" from people-the leak was one opinion from one justice and was leaked because the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact this current administration is a mess.
the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact that Republicans are psychotic ... and they got a very good one.
The Founders felt abortion was a tool of tyranny. I am of the same mindset


Funny how it's now the other way 'round.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

Nobody is taking away the precious "right" to kill unborn children. It is not even being "snatched" from people-the leak was one opinion from one justice and was leaked because the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact this current administration is a mess.
the Democrats need a stalwart position to offset the fact that Republicans are psychotic ... and they got a very good one.




here is the composition of the US Supreme court and who nominated them:
Italics : women
Pro-Choice bold
underlined anti-pro-choice
Blue Dems
Red Reps

C Thomas (73yo) - Bush Sr - rabid anti - will most likely not retire until a Rep prez in place again
Bryer (couldn't find his age) - Clinton (planning to retire in June - Biden expected to nominate Brown-Jackson)[COLOR=#FF0000][/COLOR]
Roberts (67yo) - Dubya (pivot member - could go either way - was pro-Obamacare)
Alito (72) - Dubya (says it's not the role of US SC to judge this matter - enforce it, but not make it evolve)
Sotomayor (67yo)  - Obama
Kagan (62yo) - Obama
[COLOR=#FF0000][/COLOR][COLOR=#FF0000][/COLOR]
Barrett (50yo) - Trump (ultra-catholic woman)
Gorsuch (54yo) - Trump's (pro-discrimination)
Kavanaugh (57yo)  (accused of sex assault in the 80's - charges dropped)  - Trump[COLOR=#FF0000][/COLOR][COLOR=#FF0000][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#3300FF]Oddly enough, it's the two Dubya nominations that could tip it towards Choice

Steve: about the most-likely women to suffer from this ban, it's obvious that poor women will not be able to take "holidays" abroad to have it performed. To avoid getting spotted in clinics (and getting "publicity" from antis), more financially-affluent women take "holidays" abroad.  See Sarah Waddington's indignation in front of Congress of a few days ago.

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Sean, we do a horrible job of taking care of the poor. Perhaps if you expended as much energy on finding out why as you do on multi coloring your posts, you would have come up with a better post than this. As I stated in a previous post you couldn't follow, Democrats get the Supreme Court justices they deserve due to their failure to vote for their parties' candidates, instead of the flavor of the month, or by not voting at all. I have no sympathy for many of my fellow Dems. They got what they deserve.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

 Sean, we do a horrible job of taking care of the poor. Perhaps if you expended as much energy on finding out why as you do on multi coloring your posts, you would have come up with a better post than this. As I stated a previous post you couldn't follow, Democrats get the Supreme Court justices they deserve due to their failure to vote for their parties' candidates, instead of the flavor of the month, or by not voting at all. I have no sympathy for many of my fellow Dems. They got what they deserve.

Yeah, albeit Ginsburg must share the blame for not retiring when Obama asked her to (and Obama tapped two male judges to retire and replaced them with female judges and yet 'the lady' didn't trust him or something).  But really, if people who are pro-choice also had the same awareness of the President and Senate's role in appointing SC judges, this wouldn't have happened.  If the right to abortion is that important, why wouldn't you vote straight Democrat in every general election as well as every mid term?  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

The Founders felt abortion was a tool of tyranny.


I wonder if they felt that owning slaves was tyrannical.

actually, quite a few of them did. 
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>>I must I'm always amazed that Jen (who is such a "rebel") would choose to back options that would limit her own freedom (or at least other's freedom, if she doesn't want to exert that freedom)Wink<<

translation: "Jen does not think in accordance of what she should as per our federal masters and is therefore less than a woman. We also will call her insane because she dares to be a woman who expresses freedom of thought instead of marching lockstep with the rest of us"
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