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King Winter 
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 04:12 |
Here are some albums that I find to be overrated :
1. VDGG - Godbluff
4 Good songs, but not even one of them compares to the fantastic epics on Pawn Hearts. And generally I think that in this album the lost their crazy\experimental\avant-grade direction, and that's too bad.
2. Caravan - In The Land Of Grey And Pink
Classic case of one good epic of 20-25, and some othe nice songs. "If I Could Do..." is their real masterpiece for me.
3. Rush - Moving Pictures
Side A is very strong, Side B less. But as a complete product It really doesn't compare to the big classics of Yes, King Crimson, Genesis...
4. Camel - Moonmadness
I can't see how come this album is rated higher the The Snow Goose.
So, name the albums you consider to be overrated...
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 04:21 |
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I have to disagree, Godbluff is by far my favourite VDGG album. They lose the craziness sure, but replace it with deep, meaningful lyrics - something that had been lacking from their earlier albums. I do like Pawn Hearts too.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 04:59 |
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Close to the Edge. really a good album, and I would give it four stars anytime, but by far not the epitome of prog that it is always depicted as. "Relayer" is a much better album.
the same is true for "In the Court of the Crimson King". yes, yes, a good album, but a far better one was to come, which is "Lizard". actually I believe that many people who give it 5 stars don't like the final 10 minutes of "Moonchild" at all, and they make up about 25% of the album, so how these people who don't like it can give the album 5 stars is beyond me. I like "Moonchild", by the way, but "Epitaph" is a bit soggy, so the album only gets 4 stars from me. "Lizard", on the other hand, is very underrated
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 05:16 |
In The Court Of The Crimson King.
Yes, an important album but it's not even King Crimson's best (that's Red) or second best (that's Lark's Tongue In Aspic).
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 05:25 |
1. I'd rather say that Pawn Hearts is somewhat overrated. At least I don't understand the doting upon this album, which consists of one solid prog track, one masterpiece track and a from a musical point of view rather disjointed epic in which good and poor passages alternate. It is a good album, but this band has created at least three albums that are far better. One of these albums is Godbluff.
2. I think that Grey and Pink is not overrated. I won't debate which of Caravan's albums is their real masterpiece, but they have made some excellent albums during ther first half of the 70's.
3. Moving Pictures is imho not overrated. Side A is very strong indeed and the first two tracks on side B are even better!
4. Moonmadness deserves its rating, but The Snow Goose is the best of these two albums.
I think that Ommadawn on the top of the Xover list is overrated: its 4.40 average is too low for side A, which is a masterpiece indeed, but the major part of side B (before the horse song) causes severe earaches, even when it is not played loudly.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 05:34 |
That's true, In The Court is more influential than "Masterpiece"...
Most interesting albums from KC are in the 72-74 period.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 05:45 |
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Looking at the top 10, I'd say:
Selling England by the Pound - two brilliant songs, the rest is pretty average Genesis stuff.
Close to the Edge - great album, but nowhere near as great as Relayer.
Dark Side of the Moon - one of the least interesting Floyd albums. The production is flawless (even a bit too flawless), but The Great Gig in the Sky is the only song on the album that shows some originality.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 05:58 |
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Pink Floyd The Wall. I only like a couple of songs. Agree with some Camel masterpiece (snowgoose and moonmadness), too soft for me. Same i could say with Wish You were here.Le Orme Felona again for the same reason.
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All the Ayeron stuff!
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 06:37 |
 Vompatti wrote:
Looking at the top 10, I'd say:
Selling England by the Pound - two brilliant songs, the rest is pretty average Genesis stuff.
Close to the Edge - great album, but nowhere near as great as Relayer.
Dark Side of the Moon - one of the least interesting Floyd albums. The production is flawless (even a bit too flawless), but The Great Gig in the Sky is the only song on the album that shows some originality.
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Right on the money. I enjoy all of these, but Dark Side in particular feels more poppy than other Floyd albums. I didn't even like it when I first heard it.
This may get me in hot water, but I also think Tales From Topographic Oceans is overrated. It's an awesome concept, but I can't even listen to The Remembering and The Ancients. As much as I like yes those two tracks just do nothing for me.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 07:44 |
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I have to agree about Moving Pictures. I know it's highly rated amongst Rush fans (of which I am one) but I wouldn't even rate it in their top 5.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 07:57 |
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I'm not keen on the 'The Land of Grey and Pink' either. It's ok, but I cant really see what the fuss is about.
I have to disagree about Moving Pictures. It remains my favourite Rush album.
I think Moonmadness is the best album Camel ever made.
For me, Brain Salad Surgery by ELP, and Relayer by Yes, dont catch my ear, like I feel they should, considering the adoration they get.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 07:58 |
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Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 08:09 |
Blacksword wrote:
I have to disagree about Moving Pictures. It remains my favourite Rush album.
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I knew you'd say that. It's my favourite Rush album, apart from Fly By Night, Caress of Steel, 2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres and Permanent Waves.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 08:11 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong. |
So true.
I am right about Moving Pictures though.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 08:21 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong. |
True! I never actually understood how great this overrated-concept really is until now.
For me its Wish You Were Here and Animals. Yawn.
yanch wrote:
This may
get me in hot water, but I also think Tales From Topographic Oceans is
overrated. It's an awesome concept, but I can't even listen to The
Remembering and The Ancients. As much as I like yes those two tracks
just do nothing for me. |
An album ridiculed for about 27 years, and featured in the top ten of every "worst album in the world... ever" lists ever made, overrated? I feel like I'm one of millions of people not liking it.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 08:57 |
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Funny thread. Makes me more tolerant about other people's opinion. So I'll side with Jim Garten, because he's bloody right.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 09:01 |
Bruce Springsteen and The E Street Band.
Yes, I know they are not Prog ...but let me capsulize this phenoma that continues to leave me scratching my head 40 years later.
BS and E Street Band unsubstantially took New Jersey bar band waste to the national, and ultimately world stage. If I never heard another song about 'life on the boulevard' again, I would consider myself blessed to the fullest by God Almighty.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 09:32 |
In the Court of King Crimson was a bit of a letdown for me. Maybe I was expecting to much. I didn't think it was that inspiring. On the other hand, Selling England By the Pound is a masterpiece in my mind.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 09:44 |
Rocktopus wrote:
yanch wrote:
This may get me in hot water, but I also think Tales From Topographic Oceans is overrated. It's an awesome concept, but I can't even listen to The Remembering and The Ancients. As much as I like yes those two tracks
just do nothing for me. |
An album ridiculed for about 27 years, and featured in the top ten of every "worst album in the world... ever" lists ever made, overrated? I feel like I'm one of millions of people not liking it. |
Well, you see for me, 'Tales' is vastly under-rated; ie an album I really like, yet so many others don't... ergo (and again) I'm right & they're wrong 
Could it be that musical taste is subjective? 
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 09:57 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Good old 'overrated' eh?
Over-rated = an album I don't like as much as a lot of other people do, therefore I'm right & they're wrong. |
After 6 years...yes, six years!! of picking people up on the old overated malarkey, I have no fight left in me, and simply join in. No one would listen to word I say anyway. At least I can say anything, without fear of any retribution...
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